Re: [IPsec] New Version Notification for draft-xu-ipsecme-esp-in-udp-lb-00.txt

Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com> Wed, 02 November 2016 16:42 UTC

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Subject: Re: [IPsec] New Version Notification for draft-xu-ipsecme-esp-in-udp-lb-00.txt
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> On 2 Nov 2016, at 18:19, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:
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> Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 4 Why do we need a new port? What goes wrong if the
>> packets go to port 4500?
> 
> I think that TE/load-balancer in the network calculates the same tuple hash
> and so takes the same path. (Presuming that it ignores the source UDP port)

I don’t follow. The draft requests a new destination port from IANA. Let’s assume it is 14500. 

What is the difference between having every gateway send traffic with the 5-tuple (me, random_port, UDP, you, 4500) and having every gateway send traffic with the 5-tuple (me, random_port, UDP, you, 14500) ?

Sending UDP-encapsulated traffic from a random port works today, and has the advantage that middleboxes trying to classify traffic already know what it is.

Yoav
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