Re: simplifying rekeying [draft-jenkins-ipsec-rekeying-06.txt]
Dan Harkins <dharkins@cips.nokia.com> Mon, 17 July 2000 04:35 UTC
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Subject: Re: simplifying rekeying [draft-jenkins-ipsec-rekeying-06.txt]
In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:35:30 EDT." <Pine.LNX.4.21.0007161228070.21743-100000@redshift.mimosa.com>
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Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:30:01 -0700
From: Dan Harkins <dharkins@cips.nokia.com>
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On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:35:30 EDT you wrote > We read the word "unique" as having its standard meaning and hence > reach the stated conclusion. You seem to read it as having some other > unspecified meaning ("kind of rare"?) and hence essentially > meaningless. If you can read any word that vaguely, there is no > standard. Sigh. I'll appeal to authority then. Websters's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language (the big fat one) says that unique is "1. existing as the only one or as the sole example: single; solitary in type or characeristics 2. unequaled; unparalleled; incomparable 3. impossible to duplicate within a stated or implied scope as a geographical area or range of experience; unlikely to be matched; extremely rare 4. limited in occurance to a given class, situation, or area 5. limited to a simple outcome or result" are all given as definitions for unique. "existing as the sole example" seems appropriate. When the Quick Mode terminates it does not exist any more. Therefore it seems perfectly within the _standard definition_ of the word "unique" to re-use message IDs as long as they are not used simultaneously. "limited in occurance to a given class [or] situation" seems even better. The class or situation is a Quick Mode. The uniqueness of message IDs states that they are limited in their occurance to a single Quick Mode. So we too adhere to the standard definition and we therefore come to the stated conclusion. Dan.
- simplifying rekeying [draft-jenkins-ipsec-rekeyin… D. Hugh Redelmeier
- Re: simplifying rekeying [draft-jenkins-ipsec-rek… Jan Vilhuber
- Re: simplifying rekeying [draft-jenkins-ipsec-rek… D. Hugh Redelmeier
- Re: simplifying rekeying [draft-jenkins-ipsec-rek… Dan Harkins
- Re: simplifying rekeying [draft-jenkins-ipsec-rek… Jan Vilhuber
- RE: simplifying rekeying [draft-jenkins-ipsec-rek… Andrew Krywaniuk
- Re: simplifying rekeying [draft-jenkins-ipsec-rek… Henry Spencer
- Re: simplifying rekeying [draft-jenkins-ipsec-rek… Dan Harkins
- Re: simplifying rekeying [draft-jenkins-ipsec-rek… D. Hugh Redelmeier
- Re: simplifying rekeying [draft-jenkins-ipsec-rek… Bill Sommerfeld
- Re: simplifying rekeying [draft-jenkins-ipsec-rek… Dan Harkins
- Re: simplifying rekeying [draft-jenkins-ipsec-rek… Valery Smyslov
- Re: simplifying rekeying [draft-jenkins-ipsec-rek… Bill Sommerfeld
- Re: simplifying rekeying [draft-jenkins-ipsec-rek… Paul Koning
- RE: simplifying rekeying [draft-jenkins-ipsec-rek… D. Hugh Redelmeier
- Re: simplifying rekeying [draft-jenkins-ipsec-rek… Valery Smyslov
- Re: simplifying rekeying [draft-jenkins-ipsec-rek… David W. Faucher
- Re: simplifying rekeying [draft-jenkins-ipsec-rek… Dan Harkins
- Re: simplifying rekeying [draft-jenkins-ipsec-rek… D. Hugh Redelmeier