Re: [IPsec] Proposed work item: WESP extensibility

Tero Kivinen <kivinen@iki.fi> Thu, 10 December 2009 09:29 UTC

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From: Tero Kivinen <kivinen@iki.fi>
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Subject: Re: [IPsec] Proposed work item: WESP extensibility
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Brian Swander writes:
> AH alone isn't good enough.  We need solutions that also work with
> end-to-end encryption. 

Then we are not talking about ESP-NULL traffic anymore, thus it falls
outside the scope of our WESP charter:

- A standards-track mechanism that allows an intermediary device, such
  as a firewall or intrusion detection system, to easily and reliably
  determine whether an ESP packet is encrypted with the NULL cipher;
  and if it is, determine the location of the actual payload data
  inside the packet. The starting points for this work item are
  draft-grewal-ipsec-traffic-visibility and draft-hoffman-
  esp-null-protocol.

WESP is not meant to be used for encrypted traffic, it was designed to
be used to detect encrypted ESP packets from ESP-NULL packets. 
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