Re: Regarding Bill's draft
William Allen Simpson <bsimpson@morningstar.com> Fri, 23 February 1996 06:06 UTC
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From: William Allen Simpson <bsimpson@morningstar.com>
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Subject: Re: Regarding Bill's draft
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Ah, thank you, finally something solid that I can actually refute! > From: Ran Atkinson <rja@cisco.com> > Now I'll try to rehash some of the highlights > for newcomers to this list. > Gosh, Ran, start right off by insulting most of the posters in the past 2 weeks. 2 implementors, and several others who have been active in this group for over 2 years! I saw only 1 new name.... In brief, it is apparent that the chairs haven't read any draft in the past 5 months, let alone the most recent. Most of the "issues" raised here (#1, #2, and three in #6) were addressed as soon as they were raised. In the #6 cases, as long ago as last October!!! Since I am about to go to bed and cannot write such a long message now, I will handle individual points in later messages. However, I can quickly dispense with a few: > 3) Bill's draft does not fully conform with Section 1.4 of RFC-1825. > > To conform, the following changes need to be made: > - The text in draft-ietf-ipsec-photuris-ext-01.txt, Section 2.7 > > 4) The DNS-SIG option should be detailed with both syntax and semantics. > > 5) Section 2.11 of draft-ietf-ipsec-photuris-ext-01.txt MUST be deleted. All of these are in the Extensions draft. That draft is not germane to the "last call". It is not finished. It contains those items which as clearly indicated ARE _NOT_ REQUIRED in every implementation. In fact, nobody could agree on even the format of these things, such as Security Labels, DNS-SIG, or the AH_Sequence. There are ongoing WGs which are deciding these items, and the Extensions will be published when they are resolved. So, let's stick with the actual Photuris draft, which has the required to implement base protocol. > In summary, the main obstacle to progress is Bill's unwillingness to > work with the standards process and edit in accordance with WG consensus, > existing standards-track protocols, and the WG requirements. > This is unmitigated hogwash!!! I have made 10 drafts in the past year, with several significant improvements and dozens of editorial changes. Some folks (including my cohort Phil) have complained that there are _too_ many options from conforming to "WG consensus". At least one of the comments stated: "we are happy with the way the Photuris design team has addressed those weaknesses pointed to them." Seems to me that not only have you not read the drafts, but you are completely out of touch with the WG! Bill.Simpson@um.cc.umich.edu Key fingerprint = 2E 07 23 03 C5 62 70 D3 59 B1 4F 5E 1D C2 C1 A2
- Regarding Bill's draft Ran Atkinson
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