Re: Responding to Ron's comment about removing fragmentation

[Carsten Bormann <[e-mail]>]

I just sent Jeroen a message privately that I think could help framing the discussion about active measurement of MTUs.  See also the discussion about multi-MTU later in intarea.

One related draft is:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bormann-intarea-alfi-04.txt

We haven’t managed to find a way to make this work (except for “5. Another way of doing it”, and you be the judge whether this is the desirable way forward).

There are a number of very good uses for a way to collect information on the current path, and PMTUD is just the most pressing one (see RFC 4782 for a more esoteric one). We can’t put all of them in the flow label.  Hop-by-hop options are the architecturally correct way, but these seem to be irretrievably damaged by current deployment.

Grüße, Carsten



> On 14 Nov 2014, at 10:47, Carsten Bormann <[e-mail]> wrote:
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> Having a single MTU is not very useful thinking: Every tunnel then causes a fragmentation problem.
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> Instead, we need to keep two MTUs:
> The one exported to the top of stack (inner MTU), and the one imported from the bottom of the stack (outer MTU)
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> The inner MTU is 1280, and with IPv6 it is really hard to use anything that is much closer to 1500, as old style (RFC 1191) PMTUD so overwhelmingly breaks and PLPMTUD (RFC 4821) incomprehensibly isn’t switched on.
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> The outer MTU is 1500 for all instances of reality.
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> By never sending more than 1280 from an application and never limiting the available MTU below what tunneling removes from 1500, most applications and tunnel stacks can just work well.
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> Apart from the cognitive dissonance problem, do we really need that 17 % (max) reduction in the number of packets that jamming up the inner MTU to the max would allow?
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> Grüße, Carsten
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> PS.: Yes, we made the mistake not to recognize these simple facts in 6LoWPAN.   See section 4 of draft-bormann-6lo-6lowpan-roadmap-00.txt for the (unofficial, but widely implemented) fix.
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