Re: IPR Disclosure Deutsche Telekom AG's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-6man-ipv6only-flag

[Suresh Krishnan <[e-mail]>]

+1. I just wanted to point out that the IETF will make no determination about the validity of any particular IPR claim as specified in RFC3979 and derived from the principles established in Section 10 of RFC2026. Specifically, IETF RFCs will have a notice added (described in Section 5 of RFC3979) that will contain a disclaimer of validity. Let’s not try to go down this road to see whether the IPR disclosure is relevant or not. Of course, the WG needs to decide what to do with the draft armed with the knowledge that this ipr disclosure exists. 

Thanks
Suresh

> On Dec 7, 2018, at 3:22 AM, Ole Troan <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
> This is not a suitable list for discussing IPR licensing terms.
> https://ietf.org/standards/ipr/
> 
> Ole
> 
>> On 7 Dec 2018, at 08:52, Alexandre Petrescu <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> 
>> Were it to be just RAND as known in other licenses I know it would be fine.  (those interested can find many of them on the IETF IPR declarations website; pick a favourite RFC and check whether IPR and licensing applies; read and understand the licenses; the best ones are just RAND).
>> 
>> but this one adds "with Possible Royalty/Fee"
>> 
>> only they can know what 'Possible' means.
>> 
>> It may mean 'yes', it may mean 'no'.
>> 
>> I may or may not want to hear about it.
>> 
>> I may have written such code and I may have not written it.
>> 
>> Le 06/12/2018 à 20:39, Brian E Carpenter a écrit :
>>> On 2018-12-07 06:04, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
>>>> So is Deutsche Telekom risking asking me "Reasonable and
>>>> Non-Discriminatory License to All Implementers with Possible
>>>> Royalty/Fee" for some implementation of IPv6-Only flag I've done in
>>>> scapy earlier?
>>>> 
>>>> That may kill it.
>>> Not really. It's "RAND reciprocity", a very standard form of license conditions that you will find on many IETF IPR disclosures, and which is within the range of conditions acceptable under BCP79, which we all agree to every time we read the Note Well and continue participating in the IETF.
>>> Whether the claimed IPR actually applies to the draft is a matter for each implementer to decide, of course. I have no opinion on that at the moment.
>>>   Brian
>>>> 
>>>> Better told me that before :-)
>>>> 
>>>> Alex
>>>> 
>>>> Le 06/12/2018 à 17:53, IETF Secretariat a écrit :
>>>>> Dear Bob Hinden, Brian E. Carpenter:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "IPv6
>>>>> Router Advertisement IPv6-Only Flag" (draft-ietf-6man-ipv6only-flag) was
>>>>> submitted to the IETF Secretariat on  and has been posted on the "IETF Page
>>>>> of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures"
>>>>> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3356/). The title of the IPR disclosure is
>>>>> "Deutsche Telekom AG's Statement about IPR related to
>>>>> draft-ietf-6man-ipv6only-flag"
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you
>>>>> 
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