Re: RFC3484 destination address selection rule 2 is buggy

Sebastien Roy <Sebastien.Roy@Sun.COM> Tue, 18 March 2008 12:28 UTC

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:24:15 -0400
From: Sebastien Roy <Sebastien.Roy@Sun.COM>
Subject: Re: RFC3484 destination address selection rule 2 is buggy
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Pekka Savola wrote:
> Maybe the critical thing that has been missing in the RFC3484 
> discussions has been "have vendors already fixed this? how? which 
> approach has worked and which not?"

When we were working on 
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-v6onbydefault-03, I 
prototyped the suggested solution of having a new rule 2.5 which avoids 
a non-link-local destination with link-local source address.  As the 
draft says, though, this is just one possible solution.  As Rémi 
mentioned on this thread, another interesting (and perhaps better) 
solution would be to simply treat rfc1918 addresses as global instead of 
site-local.  This makes sense to me since most of the time, they're 
being used with NAT to communicate to a global destination.

-Seb
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