Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-07
Tina TSOU <Tina.Tsou.Zouting@huawei.com> Tue, 03 December 2013 19:47 UTC
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From: Tina TSOU <Tina.Tsou.Zouting@huawei.com>
To: Hosnieh <ietf@rozanak.com>
Subject: Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-07
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Dear all, I support the adoption of this document as a 6man wg item, since this is an interesting technology to have in our toolbox. However, I should note that it will need substantive work before it can be published as an RFC. Below you will find some comments that will help improve this document. Meta: Throughout this document you talk about "IP spoofing". This document does not really prevent IP spoofing, but rather mitigates ND-message falsification. For example, this document does not mitigate DNS reflectin attacks or the like. Section 1: The IEEE Standards Association [1] (section 2.5.1 RFC-4291) [RFC4291] offered a standard for the generation of IPv6 Interface IDs (IID) called the Extended Unique Identifier (EUI-64). IEEE does not standardize IPv6 things. Section 3: The drawback to using IIDs that do not change over time is one of privacy. The node will generate the same IID whenever it joins a new network thus making it easy for an attacker to track that node when it moves to different networks. Actually, tracking is a product of constant addresses across networks. Time variance is not required to prevent network tracking. Please see: <http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-6man-ipv6-address-generation-privacy-00.txt> Section 3: of attack in the IP layer. Our experimental results [2] show that SSAS is more secure and faster than CGA when using a sec value of 0 (Brute force attacks against 64 bits (when using first SSAS algorithm) while in CGA this value is 59 bits) and much faster than CGA when using a sec value of 1. Why do you meantion Sec of 0 and then Sec of 1? Also the attacker has a few seconds to attack 64 bits in SSAS. This is because the neighboring nodes keep the public key of this node in their cache after the first successful verification. Doesn't this happen for CGA, too? 3.1.1.3. Denial of Service (DoS) attacks An attacker might send many NDP messages, using invalid signatures, to a victim?s node which then forces the node to busy itself with the verification process. To mitigate this attack, a node SHOULD set a limit on the number of messages (x) that should be verified within a certain period of time. Implementations MUST provide a conservative default and SHOULD provide a means for detecting when this limit is reached. Section 3.1.2: The current problem with the addressing mechanism in a mobile node is that no privacy is observed when a node moves to another network while usually keeping its Home Address. You should clarify what you mean by "mobile networks" -- here you imply mobile-IP, but people usually refer to "mobile networks" for other (non-mobile-ip) things. Section 4: The second algorithm addresses the problem with the security level and tries to use the security of the whole public key during the first time verification. It is unclear what you mean with this paragraph. Thank you, Tina On Dec 2, 2013, at 4:47 AM, "Hosnieh" <ietf@rozanak.com<mailto:ietf@rozanak.com>> wrote: Hello, I have uploaded a new version of SSAS on my own server since I want to avoid uploading a new version for a short time on server and also revise two other documents at the same time that is associated with this document. So, please take a look and if you have any comments please let me know so that I can apply them before I upload this version on IETF server. The changes on this version - I tried to apply Dan's, Tim's comments - I clarified the text and removed the typos I found in the text - I removed many unrelated sections that was there due to the fact that I wrote the last version so quickly!! - I clarified the purpose and scenarioes on which SSAS can be used. Here you go: http://rozanak.com/ssas.txt Thanks, smile, Hosnieh Sorry for tpyos from my chubby fingers typing on my phone
- Re: Fwd: Fwd: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-… Michael Richardson
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Ray Hunter
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Erik Nordmark
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Ray Hunter
- 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-07 Ole Troan
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Erik Nordmark
- RE: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Hosnieh Rafiee
- RE: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Hosnieh Rafiee
- RE: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Hosnieh Rafiee
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Dan Wing
- RE: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Christian Huitema
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Erik Nordmark
- RE: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Hosnieh Rafiee
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Ray Hunter
- Re: [6MAN] 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6ma… Warren Kumari
- Re: [6MAN] Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee… Warren Kumari
- Re: [6MAN] 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6ma… Hosnieh
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Hosnieh
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Michael Richardson
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Tim Chown
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Hosnieh
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Brian E Carpenter
- RE: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Hosnieh Rafiee
- RE: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Christian Huitema
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Ole Troan
- RE: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Hosnieh Rafiee
- RE: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Hosnieh Rafiee
- RE: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Hosnieh Rafiee
- RE: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Christian Huitema
- RE: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Christian Huitema
- RE: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Hosnieh Rafiee
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Ole Troan
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Hosnieh
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Ole Troan
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Eric Levy- Abegnoli (elevyabe)
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… 神明達哉
- RE: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Hosnieh Rafiee
- RE: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Hosnieh Rafiee
- RE: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Hosnieh Rafiee
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… 神明達哉
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Brian E Carpenter
- Fwd: Fwd: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man… marcelo bagnulo braun
- RE: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Hosnieh Rafiee
- RE: Fwd: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-… Hosnieh Rafiee
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… marcelo bagnulo braun
- Re: Fwd: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-… marcelo bagnulo braun
- Re: Fwd: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-… marcelo bagnulo braun
- RE: Fwd: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-… Hosnieh Rafiee
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… marcelo bagnulo braun
- RE: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Hosnieh Rafiee
- Re: Fwd: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-… marcelo bagnulo braun
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… marcelo bagnulo braun
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Tim Chown
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… marcelo bagnulo braun
- RE: Fwd: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-… Hosnieh Rafiee
- RE: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Hosnieh Rafiee
- Re: Fwd: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-… marcelo bagnulo braun
- RE: Fwd: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-… Hosnieh Rafiee
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Tim Chown
- FW: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Hosnieh Rafiee
- Re: Fwd: Fwd: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: FW: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-s… marcelo bagnulo braun
- RE: FW: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-s… Hosnieh Rafiee
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Eric Levy- Abegnoli (elevyabe)
- Re: FW: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-s… Dan Luedtke
- Re: Fwd: Fwd: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-… Michael Richardson
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Eric Levy- Abegnoli (elevyabe)
- RE: FW: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-s… Hosnieh Rafiee
- RE: FW: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-s… Hosnieh Rafiee
- RE: FW: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-s… Christian Huitema
- Re: FW: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-s… marcelo bagnulo braun
- RE: FW: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-s… Hosnieh Rafiee
- RE: FW: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-s… Hosnieh Rafiee
- RE: Fwd: Fwd: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-… Hosnieh Rafiee
- ug [was: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-… Brian E Carpenter
- RE: ug [was: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6… Hosnieh Rafiee
- Re: FW: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-s… marcelo bagnulo braun
- RE: FW: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-s… Hosnieh Rafiee
- RE: FW: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-s… Christian Huitema
- RE: FW: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-s… Hosnieh Rafiee
- RE: FW: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-s… Hosnieh
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Tina TSOU
- RE: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-… Hosnieh Rafiee