Re: RFC4890 status was: RE: <draft-ietf-6man-rfc1981bis-05.txt>

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Mon, 03 April 2017 23:04 UTC

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Subject: Re: RFC4890 status was: RE: <draft-ietf-6man-rfc1981bis-05.txt>
To: David Farmer <farmer@umn.edu>, 6man <ipv6@ietf.org>
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2017 11:04:54 +1200
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On 04/04/2017 10:48, David Farmer wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 2:54 PM, Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>
>>> On Apr 3, 2017, at 4:20 AM, Tim Chown <Tim.Chown@jisc.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>> On 31 Mar 2017, at 16:32, Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ...
>>>>  o  Added new text in Section 6 to clarify the effect of
>>>>     ICMPv6 filtering on PMTUD.
>>>
>>> Perhaps reference RFC4890 here?
>>
>> Thanks.  I think that makes sense.
>>
> 
> I had a similar thought, but Tim beat me to it.
> 
> However when reviewing RFC4890, I noticed that it's status is only
> Informational. At this point can anyone tell we why we shouldn't consider
> advancing RFC4890 to BCP?
> 
> Personally, I was a little shocked it was only Informational.  I'm not sure
> advancing it will really fix anything, but I don't see what it could hurt,
> maybe more people would take it more seriously.

I think that needs to be considered along with
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-opsec-v6
which is also Informational so far, and cites RFC 4890.
In any case it's an Ops Area thing.

    Brian