Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update revision
Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Thu, 10 August 2023 20:53 UTC
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Subject: Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update revision
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> > I'll kick the thread off; > > Actually, I think we need a virtual interim (design) meeting. We've known about this problem for >20 years and haven't fixed it. (The trail starts earlier, but formally it probably starts at https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-multi6-multihoming-requirements-00.txt) So I think it's a much bigger deal than either a thread or a design meeting. Meanwhile RFC6724 is broken and needs a fix. Regards Brian Carpenter On 11-Aug-23 04:10, Michael Richardson wrote: > > Pascal Thubert \(pthubert\) <pthubert=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > 1) Best Source / Destination address pair: can we choose the > > destination address independently of the source (and of the route > > ????), or do we need a global optimization? > > No. And even if we could find the global optimum, devices will move and > networks will change, and we'll need to do it again. > > Can we reboot SHIM6? > Can we do it with LISP instead? > QUIC. I remember that SPUD BOF. > > But, if we could publish a short RFC (is it a BCP?) that would help move one > step forward, then we should do that. Will Apple, MS, Google and Ubuntu implement? > > > (assuming God's view): if we knew everything about which source address > > can reach which destination address (but nothing about routing there > > though) which pair would we pick? > > We would rotate the shield frequencies so the BORG don't catch us :-) > > > and "happy eyeballs" compare / collaborate? Which responsibilities for > > each? 4) Multihoming and SAS: Should the stack be aware of > > multihoming? Should it do something like a RHx / tunnel to the > > appropriate CE based on source selection? > > Something in the stack need to know about multihoming, and it needs a OS-wide > view, and we need new "socket" APIs. There was a talk two RIPEs ago about > efforts there. > > > I'll kick the thread off; > > Actually, I think we need a virtual interim (design) meeting. > > -- > Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca> . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting ) > Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > --------------------------------------------------------------------
- [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update revision Nick Buraglio
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Ole Trøan
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Ole Trøan
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Michael Richardson
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Ole Trøan
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Tim Chown
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Philipp S. Tiesel
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Mark Andrews
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Ole Trøan
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Michael Richardson
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Michael Richardson
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Tim Chown
- Re: [IPv6] draft-buraglio-6man-rfc6724-update rev… Mark Smith