Re: updated draft-petrescu-autoconf-ra-based-routing-05.txt - RAs for routing between moving networks

Alexandru Petrescu <alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com> Wed, 06 August 2014 18:44 UTC

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Subject: Re: updated draft-petrescu-autoconf-ra-based-routing-05.txt - RAs for routing between moving networks
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Le 04/08/2014 15:44, Dan Lüdtke a écrit :
> Hi Alexandru,
>
>> Each Mobile Router multicasts special RAs on the egress interface,
>> containing the Mobile Network Prefix that is assigned to its
>> moving network.
>
> Could there be a situation where "normal" and "special" RAs are being
> sent by the same router?

Yes, certainly.  For example a MR in a vehicle may send a special RA on
the egress interface (e.g. 802.11p connecting to other vehicles) and a
normal RA on the ingress interface (e.g. 802.11ac inside the vehicle,
towards the passengers' tablets).

> If so, how will they differ despite the M-Bit set? Will this lead to
> routers sending two types of RAs? Is there a special reason why we do
> not mark the individual Route Information Option with a M-Bit but the
> whole RA?

Right, that is a good point.  An encoding where that is performed may be
better than in the whole RA.

Can the RIO contain a new flag (is there some place in it)?  The reason
there is a special bit (M) in the RA header is that it is there that we
found a place to encode a new functionality, at a time when the RA Flag
Expansion bits was beco,ing an RFC.  Maybe it was not the right place.

> I tried to do a sketch how to implement this draft into the "ratools"
> daemon, at came accross the mentioned questions.

This is very good to do.  May I ask in which context are you trying to
implement this?  For what kind of applications?

Alex

>
> Cheers
>
> Dan
>
> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Alexandru Petrescu
> <alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> We have updated the draft "RAs for routing between moving networks"
>>
>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-petrescu-autoconf-ra-based-routing-05
>>
>>
>>
>>
This draft describes an extension to be carried by RAs containing IP
>> prefixes to be exchanged between mobile routers ('exchanged' - as
>> opposed to 'announcing' prefixes active on links).
>>
>> The implementation of this extension allows 1-hop neighboring
>> vehicles to establish IP paths between any pair of onboard
>> IP-addressable devices; one potential application is a live
>> videostream sent by an IP camera in a large vehicle to an IP
>> display in the following vehicle, to help during view-obstructing
>> situations.
>>
>> This -05 update is minor - just added a reference to another draft
>> which may present similarities.
>>
>> Alex
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