Re: review of draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-08
Behcet Sarikaya <behcetsarikaya@yahoo.com> Mon, 29 November 2010 18:00 UTC
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 10:01:30 -0800
From: Behcet Sarikaya <behcetsarikaya@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: review of draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-08
To: Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net>, "Suresh Krishnan (QB/EMC)" <suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com>, IETF IPv6 Mailing List <ipv6@ietf.org>
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Replace DSL with Broadband in the text below as DSL Forum is now called Broadband Forum. Regards, Behcet ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net> > To: Suresh Krishnan (QB/EMC) <suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com>; IETF IPv6 Mailing >List <ipv6@ietf.org> > Sent: Wed, October 27, 2010 3:36:38 PM > Subject: review of draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-08 > > Suresh, > > I have reviewed your draft. A few comments below. Overall, I think its not >perfect but it is an acceptable solution to deal with the quirks of the >broadband access networks. I think the draft is ready for WG adoption, and I >support its adoption. However, there were a number of details that need to be >more carefully specified before the document is ready to become an RFC. > > Here are my comments: > > > The applicability is limited to the N:1 VLAN allocation model. > > > > Since this is in the abstract, could you expand "N:1 VLAN" to something a bit >more descriptive? I know what it is, you know what it is, but some other >persons later reading this RFC may not be clear about it without sufficient DSL >architecture background. > > > DSL is a widely deployed access technology for Broadband Access for > > Next Generation Networks. While traditionally DSL access networks > > were PPP based some networks are migrating from the traditional PPP > > access model into a pure IP-based Ethernet aggregated access > > environment. > > Expand DSL and PPP terms. > > > One of the Ethernet and GPON aggregation models specified in this > > document bridges sessions from multiple user ports behind a DSL > > Access Node (AN), also referred to as a DSLAM, into a single VLAN in > > the aggregation network. This is called the N:1 VLAN allocation > > model. > > > > Expand DSLAM and GPON... > > > AN A DSL or GPON Access Node. The Access Node > > terminates the phyiscal layer (e.g. DSL > > termination function or GPON termination > > function) > > physical > > > This document recommends tunneling Neighbor discovery packets inside > > another IPv6 packet that uses a destination option to convey line > > identification information. > > In Section 1.1 you noted that the AN does not implement an IPv6 stack but >performs limited inspection and modification. You should add a note to this >section to state the capabilities that are required by the AN in order to do >what is suggested above, i.e., be capable of limited tracking of certain >packets and be able to send a packet. One question that I have is if this >implies that the AN needs to implement ND itself, to find the destination MAC >address of the tunnel endpoint? I guess not, because you can use the L2 and L3 >destinations from the original packet. Please confirm... > > > When an end-device sends out a Router Solicitation, it is received by > > the access node. > > I would prefer to see a more exact description here. "The access node captures >IPv6 packets that have protocol <P> and destination address <D> and ..." > > > 5.1. On receiving a Router Solicitation from the end-device > > I like this Section, but as noted above I'd like to know what part of ND is >required or not. I think you can copy the destination address from the incoming >packet, and for the L2 source address you use the AN's own MAC address? > > > 5.2. On receiving a Router Advertisement from the Edge Router > > Please be more specific about what packets the AN needs to listen on. >Destination, source addresses, protocols, etc. (Similar to what we specify in >RFC 4861 for ND packets.) Same for Section 6.1. > > > The destination address of the > > outer IPv6 datagram MUST be set to [KNOWN_VALUE_X, say fe80::0] . > > > > You need to write this out, I presume you mean a new link-local scope >multicast address AllBBFAccessNodes or something similar? You'll also need an >IANA considerations section to allocate that. But I must say I did not fully >understand why this address is required. Would it be possible to send it to the >address from which you have previously received tunneled packets from? Or just >all-nodes? Note that later in Section 6.2 you say that the L2 destination >address is the last address from which you received a tunneled packet from. It >would seem that the L3 could easily be set the same way. > > Are there additional considerations regarding blocking similar packets from >coming from the Internet or the subscriber side? Note that 6.2 says that the >edge router should use a link local source address, but Section 5.2 does not >check for that... you should check for it. > > > LineIDLen > > > > Length of the Line Identification field in number of octets. > > > > Line Identification > > > > Variable length data inserted by the Access Node describing the > > subscriber agent circuit identifier corresponding to the logical > > access loop port of the Access Node from which the RS was > > initiated. > > > > Don't we need an "ID Type" field or similar, so that we can specify different >encodings. You could start with ID Type = 0 which has only local significance. > > Jari > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- >
- review of draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-08 Jari Arkko
- Re: review of draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-08 Suresh Krishnan
- Re: review of draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-08 Jari Arkko
- Re: review of draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-08 Suresh Krishnan
- Re: review of draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-08 Behcet Sarikaya