Re: [v6ops] RFC7217 and flash renumbering and IID change

Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org> Tue, 15 December 2020 05:17 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] RFC7217 and flash renumbering and IID change
From: Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org>
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References: <alpine.DEB.2.20.2012111147020.10335@uplift.swm.pp.se> <28ec97ca-355b-e4d8-200d-1c14160b51c0@si6networks.com> <4AC2A13C-9FE6-4D2C-B14C-D1DCC3169700@thehobsons.co.uk> <m1kole5-0000HWC@stereo.hq.phicoh.net>
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Or just use PCP and authenticate the request.

> On 14 Dec 2020, at 22:04, Philip Homburg <pch-ipv6-ietf-7@u-1.phicoh.com> wrote:
> 
>> So we're back to each host deciding on the security policy for the network - n
>> ot a network admin (as a proxy for the owners of the site/network).
>> 
>> I make a point of disabling upnp as one of the first steps when setting up a n
>> etwork. Who wants ${random device which may or may not be "friendly"} to be ab
>> le to determine what traffic is allowed into the network - it's not like there
>> is anyone out there in the wild west of the internet who'd have any hostile i
>> ntent :-/
> 
> There are a numbering of things that could be done:
> - Use DHCPv6 IA_NA instead of SLAAC
> - Have a provisioning system that provides each host with a static address.
> - Bring back EUI-64. For systems with static addresses, EUI-64 works just
>  fine.
> - Define yet another pseudo-random IID. This time one where the IID remains
>  constant over the lifetime of the system.
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