Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-mtu-option
Philip Homburg <pch-ipv6-ietf-6@u-1.phicoh.com> Mon, 05 August 2019 15:03 UTC
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Subject: Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-mtu-option
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> The only "right thing" we need routers on the Internet to do is > too ignore HBH EH instead of dropping packets with them or relegating > packets to some slow path. First, there is an obvious deployment problem. It is not attractive for hosts to send HBH EHs if they get dropped on a large percentage of the paths. In the short run this will seriously complicate host processing. In addition to ICMPs, there will be dropped EHs, ignored EHs, and remote hosts that don't know what to do. At the same time, it is very costly to build fast path processing for HBH EHs (assuming there is none at the moment) only to support some future internet where everybody will support this option. And then we can safely assume that some percentage of paths, so 5% or 10% will continue to do the wrong thing. There is no way you can get this in every last firewall. That said, if we find a way to define this for PMTUs >> 1500, then it is easier to say it will only work if all devices on the path support it. Note that there is also https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-van-beijnum-multi-mtu-04.txt to deal with the lack of support for >1500 by IEEE.
- Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-mtu-… Ole Troan
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… David Lamparter
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Erik Kline
- RE: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Tom Herbert
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Gyan Mishra
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Nick Hilliard
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Loganaden Velvindron
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Luuk Hendriks
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Ole Troan
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Nick Hilliard
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Ole Troan
- RE: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Philip Homburg
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Michael Richardson
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Tom Herbert
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Nick Hilliard
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Tom Herbert
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Nick Hilliard
- RE: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Philip Homburg
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Tom Herbert
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Nick Hilliard
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Tom Herbert
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Michael Richardson
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Mark Smith
- RE: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Mark Smith
- RE: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Philip Homburg
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Fernando Gont
- RE: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Fred Baker
- RE: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Fernando Gont
- RE: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… David Farmer
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Bob Hinden
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Fernando Gont
- RE: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… David Farmer
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Fernando Gont
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Michael Richardson
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Tom Herbert
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Ole Troan
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… john leddy.net
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Mark Smith
- Re: Confirm consensus to adopt draft-hinden-6man-… Ole Troan