Re: New Version Notification for draft-matsushima-spring-srv6-deployment-status-02.txt

Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com> Fri, 18 October 2019 15:29 UTC

Return-Path: <tom@herbertland.com>
X-Original-To: ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A77E41200B8 for <ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 08:29:14 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.897
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=herbertland-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X7qeo9s-6Jyj for <ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 08:29:12 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-ed1-x52e.google.com (mail-ed1-x52e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::52e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 55960120091 for <ipv6@ietf.org>; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 08:29:12 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-ed1-x52e.google.com with SMTP id h33so4837926edh.12 for <ipv6@ietf.org>; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 08:29:12 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=herbertland-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LdOxFcRlN0koizO1zjqO48CbKgcZHLJKpKHpITE2tD8=; b=mTHCZvGkmTqi+qvllU6IUOH0h4HlgiGciO93V/afcf/dHjE42o5SIhh+eWXNJmsLtV /9JJ2te5eQpIC25eRvc/H78ZM60Q8bdF8VlLar6xLLCLW5C1TR61BY+h1LmsPz/deusN I/4SmGoiFMDjelCZzmZeU0k953CKXnUlwyUw3vpXK7ZyKjzmYy3MUnTkRWeAQSaawVB0 LnocrF7KI+ZlR3stcNxiEkw1NhqR72WZ4Lgf6vu9JWBB6+4LDQvRIKtagIn6TIFtOef/ gsLhgsk3URChEDhgePxMO4vb74AhuCqw7DqUJ6PjOOsBChxIIxEgWCdiDaGJRK/URP0f xM3Q==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LdOxFcRlN0koizO1zjqO48CbKgcZHLJKpKHpITE2tD8=; b=PyZkxRYH3F9rATrXT31aGBnoSEnWvFFS0c9Zein+sN7Lz3sUmDCarLH7ghj0rhXiAr 7UaoFLrWnfsFtIE9Rr57E2WeUaz7pYUdQuLU48BEhkzr5FY/RQE39FE3yeDaRG8yD/K8 VLpoTgXpgBmk8IIR2NzOurxJX4buApzxDMHPpKziRQ6ltqZUjdqXYOOxHsmhD3enQFCD zyrdP4rcTkWC1GHwx3NYS2EmEFzAYJDtdzwGJ4caAfYzJqRbXxh77BskI6OpONzZt3ex 679lF8A8Hp4zBnYfVxDMSvOV7Eb+1wE+Xpwx9t+UoM+FvR+Ky2w37+IzIY4TiG6zt0gH kaOg==
X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWPVWoEMuuRR/ZtJzECLOqi8P7Z3tQZfYP6uxxmNO8birl/ZjIR 1dUfzfPNYvg53KahhQ2WZPLsPF1fpjDX6rBrvJgKZA==
X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyfPQXFxwPUOm040Y9m/PRvs6af0cKKBwCbrhFAAi2ihvabhWkUaa7sNRX6c1Rbhaxh2wzUp362hE3vc01w6Ng=
X-Received: by 2002:aa7:de12:: with SMTP id h18mr10155125edv.226.1571412550593; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 08:29:10 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <157110930835.24708.13140748426444834467.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <5A5B4DE12C0DAC44AF501CD9A2B01A8D93503A7B@DGGEMM532-MBX.china.huawei.com> <153D8103-B147-4EE7-B7FE-A845D986938E@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <153D8103-B147-4EE7-B7FE-A845D986938E@gmail.com>
From: Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 08:28:59 -0700
Message-ID: <CALx6S37+UFkiKMNZuSoNG-G3VJV0DfSnqCFzfz3b+aMqeNaRkA@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: New Version Notification for draft-matsushima-spring-srv6-deployment-status-02.txt
To: Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com>
Cc: Lizhenbin <lizhenbin@huawei.com>, "spring@ietf.org" <spring@ietf.org>, "ipv6@ietf.org" <ipv6@ietf.org>, "v6ops@ietf.org" <v6ops@ietf.org>, Clarence Filsfils <cfilsfil@cisco.com>, Satoru Matsushima <satoru.matsushima@g.softbank.co.jp>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/l3gJRYi_TNud7mi_ZS2n1mDqK4E>
X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" <ipv6.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ipv6>, <mailto:ipv6-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ipv6/>
List-Post: <mailto:ipv6@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ipv6-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6>, <mailto:ipv6-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 15:29:15 -0000

On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 4:53 PM Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 17, 2019, at 5:30 AM, Lizhenbin <lizhenbin@huawei.com> wrote:
> >
> > In the past two years, China pushed the IPv6 deployment and almost all the IP networks of operators achieve the goal "IPv6 Ready". This provide a strong base for SRv6 deployments which can help operators provide new services based on IPv6 infrastructure.
>
> With respect, I would suggest that before we push for SRv6 deployment, we develop and SRv6 use case that IPv6 doesn't support. My perception is that SRv6 is a solution looking for a problem.

A related question can be asked. Section 9 of
draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-header-25 shows that SRH TLVs and SRH
HMAC have not been implemented, except for HMAC in Linux which
probably doesn't conform to the latest draft. Given there's no
implementation, then it's logical to assume there's no deployment of
these and none of deployment in
draft-matsushima-spring-srv6-deployment-status-02 use these (that
draft does not even mention TLVs) . Nevertheless, TLVs and HMAC are a
major part of SRH and 6man has exerted quite a bit of effort working
on these.

What is the use case for SR TLVs and HMAC? Why are these use cases not
already supported in IPv6 by HBH options, Destination options, or
Authentication Header?

Tom

> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> IETF IPv6 working group mailing list
> ipv6@ietf.org
> Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6
> --------------------------------------------------------------------