RE: Comments on raft-fz-6man-ipv6-alt-mark-01
Tianran Zhou <zhoutianran@huawei.com> Tue, 05 November 2019 07:37 UTC
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From: Tianran Zhou <zhoutianran@huawei.com>
To: Ole Troan <otroan@employees.org>, Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>, Giuseppe Fioccola <giuseppe.fioccola@huawei.com>
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Subject: RE: Comments on raft-fz-6man-ipv6-alt-mark-01
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Hi Tom and Ole, Thanks for your comments. Yes, your proposal is a very good guidance for users to choose the mode how to take the alt-mark field. We will revise to show these considerations. But I think this is for the idea cases. We would also like to show some "abnormal" usage for legacy network. :-) That is to say, using SRH and DO for the hop by hop usage. I see the similar usage in RFC7837. What's your thoughts? BR, Tianran > -----Original Message----- > From: ipv6 [mailto:ipv6-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ole Troan > Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2019 2:16 AM > To: Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com> > Cc: 6man <ipv6@ietf.org> > Subject: Re: Comments on raft-fz-6man-ipv6-alt-mark-01 > > > > > On 1 Nov 2019, at 18:57, Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com> wrote: > > > > On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 10:46 AM Ole Troan <otroan@employees.org> wrote: > >> > >> DestOpt => measurement only by node in DA HBH => every router on the > >> path with feature enabled SRH TLV => every node along the SR path > >> DestOpt + SRH => every node along the SR path > >> > > Ole, > > > > So the last two have identical effects, hence we've introduced the > > complexity or redundant protocol mechanisms. > > Yes, that should guide us in making choices here. > > Ole > > > > > > Tom > > > >> Cheers > >> Ole > >> > >>>> On 1 Nov 2019, at 18:33, Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hello, > >>> > >>>> From the draft: "Regarding Hop-By-Hop Options Header, if we > >>>> consider > >>> its real deployment, it is sometimes dropped by legacy devices and > >>> not so used by intermediate nodes. Destination Options Header is > >>> preferred." > >>> > >>> I don't think this is helpful guidance. First of all, it's not just > >>> Hop-by-Hop options that can be dropped, it's pretty much packets > >>> with any extension heades or atypical protocols that might be > >>> dropped by legacy devices-- including packets with Destination > >>> Options or Routing Headers. Neither does it make sense that > >>> Destination Options Header is preferred, as correctly stated in the > >>> previous paragraph DO and HBH address difference use cases (i.e. DO > >>> is end to end, and HBH is per hop). Saying that DO is preferred is > >>> equivalent to saying that end-to-end performance measurements are > >>> preferred which I doubt is the intent. IMO, this whole paragraph > >>> could be removed without loss of content. > >>> > >>> "SRH TLV can also be a good choice from this point of view. The > >>> intermediated nodes that are not in the SID list can consider the > >>> SRH as a green field, they cannot support and bypass or support and > >>> dig into the SRH TLV." > >>> > >>> I disagree with the conclusion that SRH TLV is a good choice. The > >>> implicit assumption in this paragraph is that somehow SRH EH is less > >>> likely to be dropped by intermediate nodes than other EH like DO and > >>> HBH. I don't think there's any data to support that. Additionally, > >>> it's not clear what use case an SRH TLV addresses that can't already > >>> be addressed by Destination or HBH options. > >>> > >>> Tom > >>> > >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative > >>> Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > --------------------------------------------------------------------
- Comments on raft-fz-6man-ipv6-alt-mark-01 Tom Herbert
- Re: Comments on raft-fz-6man-ipv6-alt-mark-01 Ole Troan
- Re: Comments on raft-fz-6man-ipv6-alt-mark-01 Tom Herbert
- Re: Comments on raft-fz-6man-ipv6-alt-mark-01 Ole Troan
- RE: Comments on raft-fz-6man-ipv6-alt-mark-01 Tianran Zhou
- Re: Comments on raft-fz-6man-ipv6-alt-mark-01 Ole Troan
- RE: Comments on raft-fz-6man-ipv6-alt-mark-01 Tianran Zhou
- Re: Comments on raft-fz-6man-ipv6-alt-mark-01 Ole Troan
- Re: Comments on raft-fz-6man-ipv6-alt-mark-01 Mark Smith
- RE: Comments on raft-fz-6man-ipv6-alt-mark-01 Giuseppe Fioccola
- RE: Comments on raft-fz-6man-ipv6-alt-mark-01 Tianran Zhou