Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 bits address space ?
Masataka Ohta <mohta@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> Wed, 21 August 2019 23:32 UTC
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Subject: Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 bits address space ?
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Robert Raszuk wrote: > To configure exit path selection such that you take optimal exit to > destination X vs destination Y you need mechanism to either > passively or actively measure it. The entire point I am trying to > make here is that sweet spot for such measurements is the edge of the > network and not on each host, VM, container etc .... As I wrote: Note that end to end multihoming works with the separation between inter domain BGP and intra domain routing protocols, if BGP routers, based on domain policy, assign external routes preference values (metric) of intra domain routing protocols. BGP routers are at the edge. > Of course even if I would carry selective destinations in IGP with > properly mapped metrics how would host learn about it when it has to > pick the src address from N available in end to end multi homing > principle ? Is the assumption again that hosts, VMs, LXCs > participate now in the IGP ? I know poor source address selection is a flaw of current IP (both v4 and v6). > And even if it would be a passive IGP listener how do you encode in > any IGP today which src address should be selected such that packets > wil not be dropped due to uRPF check by the upstream provider ? For the solution, read the draft: Any source address may be selected. However, to enable source address filtering to discard packets with source addresses not belonging to an ISP, it is useful to enable a host, not some intelligent intermediate router, select a source address compatible with an outgoing ISP. For that purpose, intra domain routing protocols should maintain routing table entries with not only preference values of an external routes, but also proper prefixes to be selected for source addresses, if the entries are chosen by a host. Masataka Ohta
- [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 bits… shyam bandyopadhyay
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Mark Smith
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Roland Bless
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Brian Carpenter
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Roland Bless
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Sam Kerner
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Lixia Zhang
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Mark Allman
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Nico Williams
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Fernando Gont
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Tom Herbert
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Chengli (Cheng Li)
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Roland Bless
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Fernando Gont
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Mark Smith
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Musa Stephen Honlue
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Masataka Ohta
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Mark Smith
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Michael
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Pengshuping (Peng Shuping)
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … John Levine
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Fernando Gont
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Masataka Ohta
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Robert Raszuk
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … shyam bandyopadhyay
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Masataka Ohta
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Robert Raszuk
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Masataka Ohta
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Masataka Ohta
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Robert Raszuk
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Masataka Ohta
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Fred Baker
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … John Wroclawski
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Masataka Ohta
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Fred Baker
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Robert Raszuk
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Masataka Ohta
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Masataka Ohta
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Masataka Ohta
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Fernando Gont