Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09.txt
"Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong" <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> Tue, 09 July 2019 00:13 UTC
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From: "Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong" <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 09:12:18 +0900
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Subject: Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09.txt
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Hi Charlie, Here is the revision based on your major comments: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-10 I attach the revision letter explaining how I answered your comments. If you have comments and questions on the revision, please let me know. Due to the time limitation, I could not address your editorial comments on -10 version. For your editorial comments, I will address them and submit -11 version before the IETF-105 IPWAVE session. Thanks. Best Regards, Paul On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 11:01 AM Charlie Perkins < charles.perkins@earthlink.net> wrote: > Hello Paul, > > I have reviewed the document. I think it still needs some improvements as > described below. > > - It is not at all clear to me why a multi-link subnet model is better > than simply a routing protocol between moving networks. > > - The discussions about DNS need better motivation. > > - I had asked for a more detailed analysis about the timing requirements > and latency bounds. The inclusion of numbers like 1 second, .5 second, and > 500ms is not at all convincing, especially without citations. Given some > knowledge of DSRC range and typical speeds for motor vehicles, you should > be able to get better numbers by some basic arithmetic. > > - The Security Considerations needs to be significantly expanded, with > cross references to other parts of the document. > > - The "Changes" section should have detailed what was changed, instead of > just saying that resolutions were included for our comments. > > - I am not sure whether or not you intended to have a specific global > prefix range (e.g., 2001:DB8:) set aside for VANETs. I think this would be > a bad idea. Any routable IPv6 address ought to be routable in a VANET. > > - In section 5.1, you might cite draft-ietf-mboned-ieee802-mcast-problems, > our draft that discusses various kinds of problems faced by multicast-based > protocols over wireless media. > > - In section 5.1.1, it is suggested that two separate VANETs can merge > into one network. An example is needed for this. > > - In section 5.3, the discussion indicates that malicious actions should > be prevented by cooperation between good nodes. But no suggestion is made > about how to distinguish good nodes from bad nodes, or how to reduce the > likelihood that a good node might be misused by a malicious operator, or be > compromised. Similarly, it is not suggested how to identify authorized > vehicles. > > Regards, > Charlie P. > > > On 7/4/2019 9:32 PM, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong wrote: > > Charlie, > Thanks for your time. > > Best Regards, > Paul > > 2019년 7월 5일 (금) 오후 12:10, Charlie Perkins <charlie.perkins@futurewei.com>님이 > 작성: > >> Hello Paul, >> >> >> It's on my list to read tomorrow. >> >> >> Regards, >> Charlie P. >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 4, 2019 4:36:26 AM >> *To:* Charlie Perkins >> *Cc:* Charles E. Perkins; CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO; Russ Housley; Sri >> Gundavelli >> *Subject:* Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: >> draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09.txt >> >> Hi Charlie, >> Did you have a chance to review our IPWAVE PS draft? >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09 >> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09&data=02%7C01%7Ccharlie.perkins%40futurewei.com%7Cb4309165c9244f0980d908d70073eee2%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636978370247361380&sdata=ZiUV934DN3GZyKITtLNmcytBaAvC3Hl4rkoB679FT9k%3D&reserved=0> >> >> >> Please let me know whether you are satisfied with the current version or >> not. >> >> I believe that I addresses all your previous comments >> even though the current version is a compact one focusing on the problems >> for IPWAVE. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Best Regards, >> Paul >> >> On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 7:07 AM CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO < >> cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote: >> >> I’ll wait until Charlie reviews it to do my review. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Carlos >> >> On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 04:14, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong < >> jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Charlie, >> Thanks a lot. >> >> Best Regards, >> Paul >> >> 2019년 6월 25일 (화) 오전 10:57, Charlie Perkins <charlie.perkins@futurewei.com>님이 >> 작성: >> >> Hello Paul and all, >> >> >> I will attempt to review the draft later this week. >> >> >> Regards, >> Charlie P. >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Monday, June 24, 2019 6:55:25 PM >> *To:* CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO >> *Cc:* Charles E. Perkins; Russ Housley; Charlie.Perkins@huawei.com; Sri >> Gundavelli; Jaehoon Paul Jeong >> *Subject:* Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: >> draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09.txt >> >> Hi Carlos, >> It seems Charlie is busy. >> I believe I addressed Charlie's previous comments on the draft. >> >> Could you review and give me yours comments for WGLC before the IETF-105 >> meeting? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Best Regards, >> Paul >> >> 2019년 6월 24일 (월) 오후 12:49, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com>님이 >> 작성: >> >> Sri, >> Okay. >> I will not change the text about ND. >> >> Let's wait for Charlie's response. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Best Regards, >> Paul >> >> 2019년 6월 24일 (월) 오후 12:44, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) <sgundave@cisco.com>님이 >> 작성: >> >> Hi Paul, >> >> Ok! Any new text needs to go through the WG review process. If you can >> revert ND related multi-hop text and references that will be good. >> Unfortunately, that’s the most controversial topic and we don’t need to >> muddle the waters bringing that discussion into this. We need to optimize >> ND and lets leave it at that level. >> >> >> >> Thanks >> Sri >> >> >> >> From: "Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong" <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> >> Date: Sunday, June 23, 2019 at 8:40 PM >> To: Sri Gundavelli <sgundave@cisco.com>, "charles.perkins@earthlink.net" >> <charles.perkins@earthlink.net> >> Cc: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO < >> cjbc@it.uc3m.es>, "Charlie.Perkins@huawei.com" < >> Charlie.Perkins@huawei.com>, "jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" < >> jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: >> draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09.txt >> >> Hi Sri, >> I will remove the solution text and RFC 8505 reference for ND in the >> revision by focusing on the problem in Section 5.1 and 5.1.1. >> >> Charlie, >> Do you have any comments on the current version? >> >> To make this draft go forward, we need your review and comments. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Best Regards, >> Paul >> >> 2019년 6월 24일 (월) 오후 12:09, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) <sgundave@cisco.com>님이 >> 작성: >> >> Hi Paul, >> >> I have reviewed the –09 version and the delta from –08. >> >> The spec has surely improved and you have now eliminated bunch of >> unnecessary text. This is good and thanks for those improvements. However, >> in ND section, I see lot of new text and RFC 8505 references. I thought the >> goal here was to address the comments. Why would we add next text, >> scenarios and spec references at this stage? Specifically, 5.1, 5.1.1.1? >> >> >> Sri >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: its <its-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of "Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong" < >> jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> >> Date: Sunday, May 26, 2019 at 5:50 PM >> To: Charlie Perkins <Charlie.Perkins@huawei.com>, Sri Gundavelli < >> sgundave@cisco.com> >> Cc: "skku_iotlab_seminar@googlegroups.com" < >> skku_iotlab_seminar@googlegroups.com>, "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" < >> pthubert@cisco.com>, "its@ietf.org" <its@ietf.org>, Russ Housley < >> housley@vigilsec.com>, "Tom.Oh@rit.edu" <Tom.Oh@rit.edu>, CARLOS JESUS >> BERNARDOS CANO <cjbc@it.uc3m.es>, "jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" < >> jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: >> draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09.txt >> >> Hi Charlie and Sri, >> Could you review the revised draft for IPWAVE PS and confirm that you are >> happy with the revision? >> >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09 >> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09&data=02%7C01%7Ccharlie.perkins%40futurewei.com%7Cb4309165c9244f0980d908d70073eee2%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636978370247371372&sdata=t2Qt6nCDrxYPfJ6X%2FJ6B%2F5bgTWSTFtwlw7oWeWxgdn8%3D&reserved=0> >> >> Your confirmation can allow for the next step of our PS draft. >> >> If you have some places to improve, please let me know. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Best Regards, >> Paul >> >> 2019년 5월 25일 (토) 오후 1:29, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com>님이 >> 작성: >> >> Hi IPWAVE WG, >> I have submitted the revision of our IPWAVE PS draft: >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09 >> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09&data=02%7C01%7Ccharlie.perkins%40futurewei.com%7Cb4309165c9244f0980d908d70073eee2%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636978370247381365&sdata=feYwe8zeWdkkDxy03YW9rXvOH78%2BJdg35e9m0g8SENA%3D&reserved=0> >> >> >> According to the request of Sri and Russ, this version is focused on >> the problem statement about three key aspects of IP-based vehicular >> networking, >> such as Neighbor Discovery, Mobility Management, and Security & Privacy. >> >> For the Neighbor Discovery, I used Pascal's text about the problem >> statement about >> the ND at 802.11-OCB. >> Thanks for Pascal's contribution, and I acknowledged his contribution in >> the draft. >> >> Carlos, >> Could you review this version and give me your comments to move forward >> toward WGLC? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Paul >> >> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 1:22 PM <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote: >> >> >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >> directories. >> This draft is a work item of the IP Wireless Access in Vehicular >> Environments WG of the IETF. >> >> Title : IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments >> (IPWAVE): Problem Statement and Use Cases >> Author : Jaehoon Paul Jeong (editor) >> Filename : draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09.txt >> Pages : 28 >> Date : 2019-05-24 >> >> Abstract: >> This document discusses the problem statement and use cases of IP- >> based vehicular networking for Intelligent Transportation Systems >> (ITS). The main scenarios of vehicular communications are vehicle- >> to-vehicle (V2V), vehicle-to-infrastructure (V2I), and vehicle-to- >> everything (V2X) communications. First, this document explains use >> cases using V2V, V2I, and V2X networking. Next, it makes a problem >> statement about key aspects in IP-based vehicular networking, such as >> IPv6 Neighbor Discovery, Mobility Management, and Security & Privacy. >> For each key aspect, this document specifies requirements in IP-based >> vehicular networking, and suggests the direction of solutions >> satisfying those requirements. >> >> >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking/ >> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking%2F&data=02%7C01%7Ccharlie.perkins%40futurewei.com%7Cb4309165c9244f0980d908d70073eee2%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636978370247381365&sdata=iGqhfG8zmLA%2FxYqa0mKXmoUpKuCU8Fd%2Bh3ik4rnRpeQ%3D&reserved=0> >> >> There are also htmlized versions available at: >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09 >> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09&data=02%7C01%7Ccharlie.perkins%40futurewei.com%7Cb4309165c9244f0980d908d70073eee2%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636978370247391355&sdata=E3eK7Ih%2BldyrQ6CAwDnEcDAJLArqtH8CHS0Y2TXCUro%3D&reserved=0> >> >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09 >> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09&data=02%7C01%7Ccharlie.perkins%40futurewei.com%7Cb4309165c9244f0980d908d70073eee2%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636978370247391355&sdata=JX8ZTQi8JIKGTyTCamtDFb3DmCQ1N2kQMy4uwmLvqz8%3D&reserved=0> >> >> A diff from the previous version is available at: >> >> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09 >> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ietf.org%2Frfcdiff%3Furl2%3Ddraft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09&data=02%7C01%7Ccharlie.perkins%40futurewei.com%7Cb4309165c9244f0980d908d70073eee2%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636978370247401353&sdata=C%2FpQ5OwKE7Gmfx4LbGQerqqMydYFivG0TQrfFh6jhEw%3D&reserved=0> >> >> >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >> submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org >> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org&data=02%7C01%7Ccharlie.perkins%40futurewei.com%7Cb4309165c9244f0980d908d70073eee2%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636978370247401353&sdata=0NiMibRlZKstrEFe%2BiER9V5DQbONNX6AoyHFx3v%2FBPc%3D&reserved=0> >> . >> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> its mailing list >> its@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its >> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ietf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fits&data=02%7C01%7Ccharlie.perkins%40futurewei.com%7Cb4309165c9244f0980d908d70073eee2%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636978370247411352&sdata=VNE%2BvRHPGhThMdyaThQFq%2FbFZQBO6kkxdVC467kmNdY%3D&reserved=0> >> >> >> >> -- >> =========================== >> Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D. >> Associate Professor >> Department of Software >> Sungkyunkwan University >> Office: +82-31-299-4957 >> Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu >> Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php >> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcpslab.skku.edu%2Fpeople-jaehoon-jeong.php&data=02%7C01%7Ccharlie.perkins%40futurewei.com%7Cb4309165c9244f0980d908d70073eee2%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636978370247411352&sdata=0AmtR%2BQpBROT0zOr7Zqe4MnyK6gV91ZyvTkJqijXIMI%3D&reserved=0> >> >> -- >> Sent from a mobile device, please excuse any brevity or typing errors. >> >> >> >> -- >> =========================== >> Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D. >> Associate Professor >> Department of Software >> Sungkyunkwan University >> Office: +82-31-299-4957 >> Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu >> Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php >> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcpslab.skku.edu%2Fpeople-jaehoon-jeong.php&data=02%7C01%7Ccharlie.perkins%40futurewei.com%7Cb4309165c9244f0980d908d70073eee2%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636978370247421344&sdata=g9ipx1piwjxrV5Kmir378tHB2TmzwR3MARk%2B0F9n79g%3D&reserved=0> >> > -- =========================== Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D. Associate Professor Department of Software Sungkyunkwan University Office: +82-31-299-4957 Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php <http://cpslab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php>
- [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-… internet-drafts
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Charlie Perkins
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong