Re: [iucg] IDNA and Multilingual Internet issues and vocabulary after IDNA2008

Marie-France Berny <mfberny@gmail.com> Sat, 20 August 2011 00:20 UTC

Return-Path: <mfberny@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: iucg@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: iucg@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D58D821F8B21; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:20:43 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -3.598
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m3tKNboOaOnS; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:20:42 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-yi0-f44.google.com (mail-yi0-f44.google.com [209.85.218.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DCF321F8745; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:20:42 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by yie12 with SMTP id 12so2989493yie.31 for <multiple recipients>; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:21:40 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=SSrJxSjUJSjWqKO0GuXt75BvOAQ/rTt0k70PZsJ5Mcc=; b=N/ekk7QVkR8oDapgT0n7Yn0cUwfG1I7IaWo7oTj4E4H3INGClgvWj95hAQP8uhH6wQ yG8rUU8cgSfT1JibucWSQsAKVPTr8Mn9KqP6Dz84yk7tRr8BKgw/VKCYcXefodGCXeMf SJcqKlUghKUN0qewlkCmxZmSEq/079Gzf+ha0=
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.236.154.199 with SMTP id h47mr2317008yhk.81.1313799699543; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:21:39 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.236.138.164 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:21:39 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <CAGzJzZ6DG5MfdgHEuggZpwKv_8dt3V1BQnFkNAFFKLxysS2VUw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGzJzZ6yv2jbuP0-Jk586B4RDWr7UhFbp+wqnKoRqk1mBavh5w@mail.gmail.com> <86E32E259DD17E1166516052@localhost> <CAGzJzZ6DG5MfdgHEuggZpwKv_8dt3V1BQnFkNAFFKLxysS2VUw@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 02:21:39 +0200
Message-ID: <CAL-6tfUgmHp8TRqTTTB8M8GV0zhJQ60G2O+4ug8yMitqphcBkQ@mail.gmail.com>
From: Marie-France Berny <mfberny@gmail.com>
To: internet users contributing group <iucg@ietf.org>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="20cf303f6c8a65b54804aae4d4a7"
Cc: IETF <ietf@ietf.org>, happiana@ietf.org, precis@ietf.org, IDNA update work <idna-update@alvestrand.no>, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>, vip@icann.org
Subject: Re: [iucg] IDNA and Multilingual Internet issues and vocabulary after IDNA2008
X-BeenThere: iucg@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
Reply-To: internet users contributing group <iucg@ietf.org>
List-Id: internet users contributing group <iucg.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/iucg>, <mailto:iucg-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/iucg>
List-Post: <mailto:iucg@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:iucg-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iucg>, <mailto:iucg-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 00:20:44 -0000

Hi! John,
This seems to be a pretty odd point of yours!  As if every IETF mail had to
list the copyrights of every text or concept it works on or with.

We only are interested in an adequate and coherent multilinguistic
terminology at the IANA. At the end of the day if you want to publish it
under your name you welcome.

I introduced what I hope will close this: WIKI RFC 3271 with an appropriate
comment.

http://idna2010.org
The text John Klensin refers to is the working wiki page:

 *IDNS Common Glossary <http://iucg.org/wiki/IDNS_Common_Glossary>*


 Marie-France

2011/8/20 jean-michel bernier de portzamparc <jmabdp@gmail.com>

> Dear Mr. Klensin,
>
> "we" are Internet and IETF users. This makes a pretty large community.
> There are three ways one can do it:
>
> - in surviving with what we (do not) get. Very large part of our community.
> - in hacking the internet from the outside on behalf of our right to
> protect ourselves from digital ecosystem pollution risks. Small part of our
> community.
> - in trying to cooperate with you guys and help your inside work with our
> outside perspective. Microscopic part of our community. Guess why? Please
> read the begining of your mail.
>
> We do it because Jefsey convinced a few of us and the IETF Chair that it
> had to be tried. However, if the inside Internet is made of individual's and
> ISOC's copyrights and cannot even be discussed and helped, Jefsey will soon
> be alone!
>
> Please respond: the ball is your field. Tell me: are we wrong trying to
> work in the open, liaise with the IETF and carry a lot of work to be able to
> answer you, the happiana, the PRECIS, the VIP people in a consistant way,
> also with other open works?
>
>
> This being said you perfectly know that this
>
> 2011/8/19 John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
>
>> without any specific
>> attribution or acknowledgment.  Those materials include several
>> RFCs and draft-ietf-appsawg-rfc3536bis.
>
>
> is wrong. Your name, your RFCs etc. are quoted as such. We do not publish,
> we try to draft a pertinent mail to you!
>
>
>> I am an author or major
>> contributor on several of those.  Especially since I had asked
>> earlier that any compendium of this sort list terms covered in
>> other documents, comment on them as you thought appropriate,
>
>
> This is correct. But to respond to you, a lot of work must be carried.
> Beginning with an enlarged scope to other intricate real needs you did not
> consider yet.
>
> Portzamparc
>
> BTW I am not French, I am Breton!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> iucg mailing list
> iucg@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iucg
>
>