Re: [Jmap] JMAP for Files

Neil Jenkins <neilj@fastmailteam.com> Thu, 11 February 2021 10:02 UTC

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 21:01:58 +1100
From: Neil Jenkins <neilj@fastmailteam.com>
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Subject: Re: [Jmap] JMAP for Files
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Hi Joris,

> We saw that Fastmail has custom support for files via 
> https://www.fastmail.com/dev/files . Is there already something we could 
> use, like an initial, rough draft?

Sure, I've attached our internal spec for what we call the *StorageNode* data type, which represents a file/folder in a user's file storage. It's really pretty simple compared to the other JMAP data types; it just defines the filesystem hierarchy and metadata, and then the standard JMAP blob system takes care of uploads/downloads. You are welcome to use this as a basis for a draft if there's enough interest to standardise this.

> Maybe even some premature server/client implementations already exist that you could share with us?

We implement the attached spec at Fastmail but it's not something we are able to usefully open source at this time; it's deeply tied to our internal file storage system.

Neil.