Re: [jose] Proposal about the SPI proposal

Edmund Jay <ejay@mgi1.com> Tue, 12 February 2013 00:29 UTC

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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:29:44 -0800 (PST)
From: Edmund Jay <ejay@mgi1.com>
To: Brian Campbell <bcampbell@pingidentity.com>, "jose@ietf.org" <jose@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [jose] Proposal about the SPI proposal
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+1 for new I-D.






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From: Brian Campbell <bcampbell@pingidentity.com>
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Sent: Fri, February 8, 2013 3:01:51 PM
Subject: [jose] Proposal about the SPI proposal


Maybe this was apparent from my comments/questions on the SPI proposal over the 
last couple days[1] but I have concerns that run the gamut from operational 
complexity and fragility to security problems. I believe strongly that, without 
considerably more analysis and specification detail, the current SPI work is 
much too risky to consider go in the current base JOSE WG drafts.

As an alternative I'd like to request/propose that the SPI stuff be submitted as 
new I-D to help facilitate that additional discussion and analysis that I think 
it needs.


Thanks,
Brian


[1] http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/jose/current/msg01500.html