Re: [kitten] Non-Password Password Change

Greg Hudson <ghudson@mit.edu> Thu, 15 October 2015 21:51 UTC

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Subject: Re: [kitten] Non-Password Password Change
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On 10/15/2015 03:59 PM, Henry B (Hank) Hotz, CISSP wrote:
> There’s been work on improved password change protocols, but I’m not sure how much actually completed. I also remember once suggesting that loading a KDB entry from a keytab file would be useful, at least for handling cross-realm principals.

I believe the most recent work is:

    https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-krb-wg-kerberos-set-passwd-08

I vaguely recall an explicit decision not to continue with that work
because no one believed they were likely to implement it.

> Are there any password change protocols where you can supply the enctype and a key instead of a text password?

This is probably obvious, but any such facility allows the client to
circumvent password policies, and therefore usually require special
permissions.

I believe you are correct that in current implementations, the only way
to do that is via implementation-specific admin interfaces.

Another mode I would find interesting is one where the server makes up a
new password and tells you what it is.  I don't know if it would get
much use (I've never seen passwords managed that way in any
environment), but it seems like a reasonable way to mitigate risk.