Re: [Lake] Standards Action with Expert Review (Re: Lars Eggert's Discuss on draft-ietf-lake-edhoc-20: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT))

Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org> Tue, 22 August 2023 08:49 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Lake] Standards Action with Expert Review (Re: Lars Eggert's Discuss on draft-ietf-lake-edhoc-20: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT))
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Hi,

On Aug 22, 2023, at 11:42, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
> I seem to remember that we had IANA registrations made by Standards Action where none of the authors, IESG members, or other reviewers were aware of a specific detail in the registration requirements.

do you have details? Given that it was a Standards Action, I'm surprised if authors and the IESG were not ware of something, given that they author and review the I-D (in addition to a Last Call).

> Do we now have processes in place that would automatically involve a registry expert in a Standards Action?

No. The theory was/is that IETF Last Call and IESG Review provide more review than Expert Review does, so it seems redundant. If nat belief is no longer held, we should update the relevant process.

Thanks,
Lars