[Last-Call] Re: Last Call: <draft-hardaker-dns-wgs-at-ietf-06.txt> (Community considerations on DNS WG structures at IETF) to Historic RFC

Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net> Sun, 12 April 2026 14:25 UTC

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Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2026 10:24:09 -0400
From: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
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Subject: [Last-Call] Re: Last Call: <draft-hardaker-dns-wgs-at-ietf-06.txt> (Community considerations on DNS WG structures at IETF) to Historic RFC
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I see no value in publishing this as an RFC.  Publishing something as "Historic" from the outset is a waste of effort.  The value of the work has already been realized at the point where the actions are taken.  (Though I do question some of those recommended actions, that is something to be litigated when those actions are proposed.)

On Fri, Apr 10, 2026, at 12:19, The IESG wrote:
> The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the
> following document: - 'Community considerations on DNS WG structures at IETF'
>   <draft-hardaker-dns-wgs-at-ietf-06.txt> as Historic RFC
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> The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final
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>    There has been an increasing level of discussion within the IETF
>    about the best Working Group (WG) structures for handling the wide
>    array of DNS work being conducted within the IETF.  As part of
>    community consultation, a team coordinated by Wes Hardaker was asked
>    to gather information from the community at large through e-mail,
>    hallway discussions, and meetings and create a small team to discuss
>    potential structural changes to be shared with the community.  This
>    document is the result of that effort.
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>    The outcome of the consultation is retained for historic reference.
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> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hardaker-dns-wgs-at-ietf/
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