[Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-stir-certificates-shortlived-05 ietf last call Opsdir review
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From: "Peterson, Jon" <Jon.Peterson@transunion.com>
To: Gen Chen <chengen@huawei.com>, "ops-dir@ietf.org" <ops-dir@ietf.org>
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Thanks for the review Gen, a few notes below:
Minor Issues
- No "Operational Considerations" section presented, since carriers are mainly
responsible with certificates request to ACME server and the running of STIR
mechanism.
<JFP> Okay I added some Ops Considerations in a new section. </JFP>
- Some descriptions in the document are not complied with the key
words in section 2, this could make the readers confusing on what should be
complied with. (examples: "As an optimization, this specification requires the
conveyance of the certificate chain for a short-lived certificate via the "x5c"
JWS header element" in section 4, here the "requires" is suggested to be
replaced with key words in section 2)
<JFP> Section 2, the introduction, is not normative. The statement in Section 4 is far more precise about exactly who needs to support and use exactly what. To avoid confusion, I will replace the word “requires” in 2 with “specifies”, so no one thinks it is a stray keyword. Did the same for another “requires”. </JFP>
- x5c is standardized in JWS (RFC 7515)
but its use with short-lived certificates in high-volume SIP networks is
unproven at scale. There is no clarification on the performance risks involved.
<JFP> I did put a bit about that in the new Ops Consideration. </JFP>
Nits
The document didn't specify reasonable default values for critical parameters,
such as:
- Certificate lifetime: Vague ("days or even hours"). No default or
recommended value
<JFP> I’m not sure it’s our place to recommend a value. I think there are scenarios where doing it for days works, and others where generating a new certificate on a per-call basis would work. </JFP>
- ACME pre-fetch window: how long before expiry to request
renewal
<JFP> As with above, I’m not sure there’s a one-size-fits-all recommendation I favor, or even T-shirt sizes. I did mention this in Ops Considerations. </JFP>
- Retry policy: Aggressive retries overwhelm CA
<JFP> This is also mentioned in Ops Considerations now. </JFP>
Jon Peterson
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