Re: [Last-Call] Last Call: <draft-carpenter-eligibility-expand-08.txt> (Additional Criteria for Nominating Committee Eligibility) to Experimental RFC

Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> Thu, 10 December 2020 00:49 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Last-Call] Last Call: <draft-carpenter-eligibility-expand-08.txt> (Additional Criteria for Nominating Committee Eligibility) to Experimental RFC
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> On Dec 9, 2020, at 5:51 PM, Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 2:13 PM Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com <mailto:housley@vigilsec.com>> wrote:
> I have read the most recent version of this document, and I support this experiment.
> 
> I find this part of Section 2 confusing:
> 
>    The experiment will initially cover the IETF Nominating Committee
>    cycle that begins in 2021.  As soon as the 2021-2022 Nominating
>    Committee is seated, the IESG must consult the 2021-2022 Nominating
>    Committee chair and the 2020-2021 Nominating Committee chair and
>    publish a report on the results of the experiment.  Points to be
>    considered are whether the experiment has produced a sufficiently
>    large and diverse pool of individuals, and whether enough of those
>    individuals have volunteered to produce a representative Nominating
>    Committee with good knowledge of the IETF.  If possible, a comparison
>    with results from the previous procedure (i.e., RFC 8713) should be
>    made.
> 
> As soon as the next NomCom Chair is seated, the IESG is going to consent with them and Barbara about the results of the in-progress experiment. 
> 
> "consent with" should be "consult with", yes?

correct.  Excuse the typo.

Russ


> 
> Ted
>  
> At that point, next NomCom Chair will not have issued the call for volunteers, so the number of volunteers will not yet be known.  I suspect this is an off by one error, and this review it to happen as soon as the 2022-2023 NomCom Chair is named.
> 
> Nits:
> 
> s/nomcom/NomCom/
> 
> s/RFC editor/RFC Editor/
> 
> Thanks,
> Russ
> 
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> Subject: Last Call: <draft-carpenter-eligibility-expand-08.txt> (Additional
> Criteria for Nominating Committee Eligibility) to Experimental RFC
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> The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the
> following document: - 'Additional Criteria for Nominating Committee
> Eligibility'
>  <draft-carpenter-eligibility-expand-08.txt> as Experimental RFC
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> Abstract
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> 
>   This document defines a process experiment under RFC 3933 that
>   temporarily updates the criteria for qualifying volunteers to
>   participate in the IETF Nominating Committee.  It therefore also
>   updates the criteria for qualifying signatories to a community recall
>   petition.  The purpose is to make the criteria more flexible in view
>   of increasing remote participation in the IETF and a reduction in
>   face-to-face meetings.  The experiment is of fixed duration and will
>   apply to one, or at most two, Nominating Committee cycles.  This
>   document temporarily varies the rules in RFC 8713.
> 
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> The file can be obtained via
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-carpenter-eligibility-expand/ <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-carpenter-eligibility-expand/>
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