Re: [lemonade] Proposed LEMONADE interim agenda
Chris Newman <Chris.Newman@Sun.COM> Thu, 01 September 2005 23:56 UTC
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Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 16:57:22 -0700
From: Chris Newman <Chris.Newman@Sun.COM>
Subject: Re: [lemonade] Proposed LEMONADE interim agenda
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Two issues: 1. If UIDPLUS (RFC 2359) is included in the lemonade profile at all, I would prefer it be included in Phase 1 on the grounds it is already an RFC and thus would not delay phase 1 and would make phase 1 more useful. 2. I believe NAMESPACE (RFC 2342) should also be included in the Lemonade profile. I'm suggesting this because I was told about a mobile phone IMAP client which fails to handle shared folders properly and drawing NAMESPACE into the profile will make the issue of shared folders clearer. More detail of the issue: An IMAP server can offer both personal and shared mailboxes. End-users typically expect an IMAP client to show all personal mailboxes and no shared mailboxes by default with IMAP subscriptions providing a mechanism to adjust those defaults. The IMAP base spec provides no way to distinguish personal mailboxes from shared mailboxes, so an IMAP-base-spec-only client which respects shared mailboxes can at best show all mailboxes by default and provide an "unsubscribe" feature or show no mailboxes by default and provide a "subscribe" feature. The NAMESPACE extension provides a way for an IMAP client to distinguish personal mailboxes from shared mailboxes and thus can provide a better default experience. This is also important because the IMAP base spec is not particularly clear about how shared mailboxes work. And the implementation advice in RFC 2683 only explains one of the client pitfalls when dealing with a server that offers shared mailboxes. The other pitfall impacts caching clients which do not use subscriptions or an equivalent mechanism to control the list of mailboxes. If such clients always cache all mailboxes available via LIST, they won't work as end-users expect with shared mailboxes and will consume a lot of unnecessary bandwidth at a site with a lot of shared mailboxes. - Chris Glenn Parsons wrote on 8/24/05 16:13 -0400: > Proposed LEMONADE WG Interim > ============================ > > Date: September 29-30 > Location: London, UK > > Agenda > ------ > > Document status > - last calls, RFC editor, etc. > > Phase 1 Profile review > - pre WG last call > > Phase 2 Profile 'goals' > - finalize general content > > Server-to-Client notifications > - review of IAB ruling > - discussion on LEMONADE approach > > Review proposals for inclusion in Phase 2 > - Deliver > draft-maes-lemonade-deliver-00.txt > > - Firewalls > draft-maes-lemonade-http-binding-01.txt > draft-smaes-lemonade-intermediary-challenges-01.txt > > - Filter > draft-maes-lemonade-lconvert-01.txt > *draft-wener-lemonade-msgfilter-02.txt > *SIEVE > > - Compression > draft-maes-lemonade-lzip-01.txt > > - UID > draft-maes-lemonade-monoincuid-01.txt > RFC 2359 (UIDPLUS) > > - S2C notifications > draft-maes-lemonade-notifications-server-to-client-01.txt > *draft-wener-lemonade-clearidle-02.txt > > - Content Transformation > *draft-wener-lemonade-conversion-00.txt > draft-maes-lemonade-lconvert-01.txt > *draft-ietf-lemonade-channel derivatives > > - Draft profile > draft-maes-lemonade-mobile-email-04.txt > > * - author/editor volunteers requested to progress drafts > > _______________________________________________ > lemonade mailing list > lemonade@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade > _______________________________________________ lemonade mailing list lemonade@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lemonade
- [lemonade] Proposed LEMONADE interim agenda Glenn Parsons
- Re: [lemonade] Proposed LEMONADE interim agenda Pete Resnick
- Re: [lemonade] Proposed LEMONADE interim agenda Chris Newman
- Re: [lemonade] Proposed LEMONADE interim agenda Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [lemonade] Proposed LEMONADE interim agenda Randall Gellens