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Re: [lisp] The LISP WG has placed draft-farinacci-lisp-decent in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued"

Joel Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com> Mon, 16 October 2023 19:43 UTC

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Subject: Re: [lisp] The LISP WG has placed draft-farinacci-lisp-decent in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued"
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Yes, that would do it.

Yours,

Joel

On 10/16/2023 3:41 PM, Dino Farinacci wrote:
> I can change the spec to be more specific as you suggest. Would that work for you?
>
> Dino
>
>> On Oct 16, 2023, at 12:38 PM, Joel Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com> wrote:
>>
>> To point to one example of the problem, this draft defines "push based" as using multicast.  Decent uses multicast.  But not all push based systems use multicast.  The definitions of push-based and pull-based should be general.  Decent-pulll and decent-push (or some other terms) can be defined as this document uses them.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Joel
>>
>> On 10/16/2023 3:36 PM, Dino Farinacci wrote:
>>>> Relative to the LISP mapping system, the terms pull-based and push-based long predate this draft.  There was an original push-based mapping system proposed (in which all mappings were pushed to all ITRs).  While we decided not to advance that,
>>> Right, the LISP-Decent pushed-based uses multicast. The other one, NERD, used management protocols and not a control plane if I recall.
>>>
>>>> the term had an understood meaning.  Also, pull-based and push-based have well-defined meaning in many contexts.  This draft
>>> The pull-based is what all the mapping systems are using. For LISP-Decent we wanted to distinguish the pull-based mechanism based on hashing from the push-base multicast method.
>>>
>>>> seems to use those terms in a rather idiosyncratic (not incorrect, but confusing) fashion.  I am not sure whether different terms or additional qualifiers are the better solution.
>>> Did I make it clearer?
>>>
>>> Dino
>>>
>>>> Yours,
>>>>
>>>> Joel
>>>>
>>>> On 10/16/2023 9:40 AM, IETF Secretariat wrote:
>>>>> The LISP WG has placed draft-farinacci-lisp-decent in state
>>>>> Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Luigi Iannone)
>>>>>
>>>>> The document is available at
>>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farinacci-lisp-decent/
>>>>>
>>>>>
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