Re: [lmap] incoming liaison statement from IEEE Project P802.16.3

Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> Wed, 10 April 2013 20:36 UTC

Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 22:36:39 +0200
From: Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>
To: Jérôme Benoit <jerome.benoit@grenouille.com>
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Subject: Re: [lmap] incoming liaison statement from IEEE Project P802.16.3
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On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 09:54:34PM +0200, Jérôme Benoit wrote:
> 
> ISPs operate the whole measurement system that will permit to
> evaluate themselves with no mechanisms that will permit to ensure
> the neutrality of the measurement system ... I hope you're kidding ?
> If not, such a measurement system where judge are also the party is
> just a big joke that will cost money to the people and where people
> will be able to participate, review, trust ... fantastic ! No ?

There are multiple use cases with different motivations and different
goals and we should not mess them up. The ISP use case has a rather
detailed description:

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-linsner-lmap-use-cases-02

Perhaps it helps if we discuss concrete parts of the text in this
draft so that we can improve the document.

/js

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[lmap] incoming liaison statement from IEEE Proje… Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
Re: [lmap] incoming liaison statement from IEEE P… Jérôme Benoit
Re: [lmap] incoming liaison statement from IEEE P… STARK, BARBARA H
Re: [lmap] incoming liaison statement from IEEE P… Jérôme Benoit
Re: [lmap] incoming liaison statement from IEEE P… trevor.burbridge
Re: [lmap] incoming liaison statement from IEEE P… Jérôme Benoit
Re: [lmap] incoming liaison statement from IEEE P… Brian Trammell
Re: [lmap] incoming liaison statement from IEEE P… Henning Schulzrinne
Re: [lmap] incoming liaison statement from IEEE P… STARK, BARBARA H
[lmap] on anonymity and active measurements Re: i… Brian Trammell
Re: [lmap] on anonymity and active measurements R… Bugenhagen, Michael K
Re: [lmap] incoming liaison statement from IEEE P… trevor.burbridge
Re: [lmap] incoming liaison statement from IEEE P… Jérôme Benoit
Re: [lmap] incoming liaison statement from IEEE P… trevor.burbridge
Re: [lmap] incoming liaison statement from IEEE P… Jérôme Benoit
Re: [lmap] incoming liaison statement from IEEE P… Jérôme Benoit
Re: [lmap] incoming liaison statement from IEEE P… trevor.burbridge
Re: [lmap] incoming liaison statement from IEEE P… Jérôme Benoit
Re: [lmap] incoming liaison statement from IEEE P… Juergen Schoenwaelder
Re: [lmap] incoming liaison statement from IEEE P… Jérôme Benoit
Re: [lmap] incoming liaison statement from IEEE P… Hannes Tschofenig
Re: [lmap] incoming liaison statement from IEEE P… Juergen Schoenwaelder
Re: [lmap] incoming liaison statement from IEEE P… Jérôme Benoit
Re: [lmap] incoming liaison statement from IEEE P… Juergen Schoenwaelder