[Lsr] Re: Adoption of draft-many-lsr-power-group

[Christian Hopps <[e-mail]>]

Can we please pause this discussion until after the meeting? I don’t think anything helpful is going on here that benefits the document or the WG.

No one is raising bars on whims and no one is end running.

Thanks,

Chris.

On Jul 20, 2026, at 22:47, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <[e-mail]> wrote:



Tony –

 

I think Chris and I have expressed the same point.

I also think you seem to want to “pick a fight” – and I am not interested in that.

 

I will call your attention to the following from RFC 7120. Although RFC 7120 is not directly applicable in this case, it is related and the concern expressed there seems very relevant to this case.

 

From https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7120.html#section-5" rel="nofollow"> https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7120.html#section-5

 

“There is a significant concern that the procedures in this document

   could be used as an end-run on the IETF process to achieve code point

   allocation when an RFC will not be published.  For example, a WG or a

   WG chair might be pressured to obtain an early allocation for a

   protocol extension for a particular company or for another Standards

   Development Organization even though it might be predicted that an

   IETF LC or IESG Evaluation would reject the approach that is

   documented.”

 

Les

 

 

From: Tony Li <[e-mail]>
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2026 1:05 PM
To: Christian Hopps <[e-mail]>
Cc: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <[e-mail]>; lsr-chairs <[e-mail]>; lsr <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [Lsr] Re: Adoption of draft-many-lsr-power-group

 

Chris, Les,

 

I wrote that code points "do not require adoption".  That is accurate.  A 'SHOULD' is not a 'MUST'.  You don't get to change it into one.  What I wrote originally was correct.

 

I respect the 'SHOULD' and the work the experts do, but the fact of the matter is that we have code, and it is going to ship regardless of adoption.  At this point, I cannot stop it.

 

So, this is really up to you.  You can allocate, or we can squat.  Waiting is out of the question.  Your choice?

 

Regards,

Tony

 

On Mon, Jul 20, 2026 at 9:56 PM Christian Hopps <[e-mail]> wrote:

Expert hat on: I do not believe Les is raising the bar. We (reg experts) have followed the SHOULD advice rather consistently. We have always pushed for WG adoption first. It’s why I mentioned the order, adoption and then allocate, during the presentation. Yes, SHOULD is not MUST, but it’s also not MAY. :)

 

I think it’s worth giving the normal route a chance here before we look to the exceptional one. 

 

Thanks,

Chris.

On Jul 20, 2026, at 20:12, Tony Li <[e-mail]> wrote:



Les,

 

What I wrote is correct.  Please read what you quoted.  That's a SHOULD, not a MUST.

 

You don't get to raise the bar on a whim.

 

Tony

 

 

On Mon, Jul 20, 2026 at 6:36 PM Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) - ginsberg at http://cisco.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">cisco.com <[e-mail]> wrote:

Tony –

 

I don’t want to start an argument – just want to set the record straight.

 

https://www.iana.org/assignments/isis-tlv-codepoints/isis-tlv-codepoints.xhtml" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.iana.org/assignments/isis-tlv-codepoints/isis-tlv-codepoints.xhtml states:

 

“Note

For IS-IS registries and value ranges maintained via the "Expert

Review" [RFC8126] registration procedure, guidance for IESG-designated

experts can be found in [RFC7370].”

 

https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7370.html#section-4" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7370.html#section-4 states:

 

“2.  The Designated Experts SHOULD only consider requests that arise

       from I-Ds that have already been accepted as Working Group

       documents or that are planned for progression as AD Sponsored

       documents in the absence of a suitably chartered Working Group.”

 

So what you say below is not correct.

 

   Les

 

From: Tony Li <[e-mail]>
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2026 8:50 AM
To: lsr-chairs <[e-mail]>
Cc: lsr <[e-mail]>
Subject: [Lsr] Adoption of draft-many-lsr-power-group

 

Hi,

 

I would like to formally request that we start an adoption poll of draft-many-lsr-power-group.

 

I would also like to formally request code point assignment for this document.  The relevant code points are all under "Expert Review" and do not require formal adoption before code point allocation.  We would greatly prefer not to squat on code point values if we do not have to.

 

Regards,

Tony