Re: [Lsr] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04: (with COMMENT)

"Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <ginsberg@cisco.com> Thu, 20 December 2018 04:42 UTC

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From: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <ginsberg@cisco.com>
To: Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Lsr] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04: (with COMMENT)
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Benjamin -

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>;
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 7:35 PM
> To: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>;
> Cc: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis@ietf.org; Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
> <ketant@cisco.com>;; aretana.ietf@gmail.com; lsr-chairs@ietf.org; Ketan
> Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>;; lsr@ietf.org
> Subject: Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04:
> (with COMMENT)
> 
> Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for
> draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04: No Objection
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> The nice tidy diff against RFC 7810 and description in Appendix A made this
> document very easy to review; thank you!
> 

[Les:] Thanx.

> That said, I think that there are some lingering factual errors that will
> require some text changes; in particular, relating to the IANA
> registrations.  E.g,. Section 2 shouldn't say "this document registers new
> IS-IS TE sub-TLVs" and "this document registers several sub-TLVs", since
> the sub-TLVs are not new.  Similarly, one could make a case that the IANA
> considerations should request for IANA to update the registrations for the
> indicated sub-TLVs to point to this document instead of RFC 7810.
> 

[Les:] I think we are discussing small matters here - though I appreciate your desire for diligence.
I would argue that once this document is published no one should have to read RFC 7810 ever again (unless you are a history buff). Which means it really then does become "this document" which introduces the new sub-TLVs.
So using language which requires the existence of the obsoleted document seems wrong to me.

Regarding the IANA registry, there has already been an email exchange with the IANA folks and the registry will be updated to point to this document.

   Les

> (I'm still balloting No Objection and not Discuss, because I trust the
> responsible AD to make the right thing happen.)
>