Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mobile Ad Hoc Networks (MANETs)"
Elektra <onelektra@gmx.net> Fri, 05 June 2009 13:10 UTC
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Subject: Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mobile Ad Hoc Networks (MANETs)"
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Hello all! I'd dare to state that transient routing loops are normal in Olsr and other Link State protocols in a wireless environment with fluctuating link quality as long as TCs are communicated via broadcasts. (Using unicasts instead doesn't seem like a viable solution). Since the topology data base has to be synced amongst adjacent nodes via a lossy medium to avoid loops (up to 3 hops range I'd say) I have drawn and tested the following conclusions when hacking on RFC3626 for the Freifunk community mesh network in Berlin together with Tomas Lopatic and others in the years 2004 and 2005: - when we tested RFC3626 with participants of the Wizards of OS 3 conference the results were devastating in a ~25 node mesh - MPRs are contra-indicated if you want to avoid loops - the redundancy of multiple paths propagating TC information is desperately needed in a productive environment where payload saturates the links. Otherwise TC data bases get out of sync locally and things become very, very messy - MPRs don't help much in terms of scalability as long as every TC has a global TTL - RFC3626's hysteresis is a no-no - especially in combination with MPRs. MPRs are selected which frequently get kicked out by hysteresis - the problem of syncing TC information gets even worse & the protocol needs to negotiate the MPR set again. - A simple fish-eye algorithm worked much better in terms of scalability and allowed us to send TC updates more often than Hellos without suffocating our city wide mesh network of +400 nodes (mostly Linksys WRT54G) at the time. Hence TC updates were redundant which drastically mitigated the looping problem. Still under very high network load we had transient routing loops. This is still a issue. The mesh grew up to ~650 nodes in Berlin without problems - however we were pushing the CPU load to the limits before the code was optimized by the Olsr-ng project. - Minimum hop count metric optimizes packet loss, so the first thing we did was adding a metric based on ETX which communicates link quality data with every Hello message to single hop neighbors (LQ/NLQ) The experience of the Freifunk people with OLSR is described in more detail here: https://www.open-mesh.org/wiki/the-olsr-story Note that the document is summing up the experience until mid 2005. Our work was/is miserably documented to say the least. As an excuse I can say that we were focused on getting the mesh network usable for the community. The modifications are present in the Olsr implementation from olsr.org and can be switched on and off via the configuration file. Sample configurations come with the source code or can be found in the wiki pages of the wireless communities. I don't know any real-life network using the RFC3626 configuration in a productive environment. If you do know, let me know. However there are community networks in Tanzania, South Africa, India, Europe and elsewhere successfully using the Olsr daemon with the modifications. The modified Olsr daemon has been tested with up to 850 nodes in real life. It is working on low-end consumer APs running Openwrt with moderate CPU load thanks to the OLSR-NG project which has optimized the code after I ceased being active in the Olsr.org development. We have started a new community-driven mesh protocol development site in 2006 - open-mesh.net. The name of our current protocol project is BATMAN. Generation three of the algorithm is described in a document available here: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wunderlich-openmesh-manet-routing-00 A reviewer has claimed that the protocol allegedly would loop and consume too much CPU and battery power for a MANET protocol. We didn't bother to defend the draft because we have better use for our time. Please reprieve me from protocol discussion dogfights. Note that the document is referring to mark III of the algorithm, while we are currently working on designing mark 5. Implementations of mark 4 are available from our web site and as opkg-packages in Openwrt. A comparison between Batman mark IV (Batman-experimental branch) and the modified (!) OLSR daemon is available here: http://wirelessafrica.meraka.org.za/wiki/images/9/98/Batman_ifip.pdf BATMAN is a stigmeric approach which has proven to be loop-free and scalable. There are two competing implementations and change sets for OSI Layer 3 and one for "Layer 2.5". The largest real-life deployments have ~120 nodes - we are currently facing the difficulty to establish the new protocol in the community alongside the modified OLSR, because people hesitate to change their "running system" and known "standard" for something new. And some people love to defend "their" protocol. Germans tend to say: "The apple in the hand is better than the sparrow on the roof." No matter how cute the sparrow is ;-) Cheers, Elektra
- [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mobile … Lee Speakman
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Ulrich Herberg
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Lee Speakman
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… jacquet
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Henning Rogge
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Lee Speakman
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Lee Speakman
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Teco Boot
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Lee Speakman
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Henning Rogge
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… jacquet
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Lee Speakman
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Teco Boot
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Lee Speakman
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… jacquet
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… jacquet
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Teco Boot
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Elektra
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Richard Ogier
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Teco Boot
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Richard Ogier
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Richard Ogier
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Teco Boot
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Teco Boot
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Henning Rogge
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Rex Buddenberg
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Henning Rogge
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Lee Speakman
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Henning Rogge
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Lee Speakman
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Ulrich Herberg
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Lee Speakman
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… jacquet
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Lee Speakman
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Hokelek, Ibrahim
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Lars Landmark
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… jacquet
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Lee Speakman
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Ulrich Herberg
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Lee Speakman
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Lee Speakman
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Lars Landmark
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Henning Rogge
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… jacquet
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Henning Rogge
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Hokelek, Ibrahim
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Richard Ogier
- Re: [manet] New draft: "Routing Loop Issue in Mob… Lee Speakman