Re: [manet] IETF 117 presentation: Babel with IEEE802.11
Abdussalam Baryun <abdussalambaryun@gmail.com> Sat, 29 July 2023 21:19 UTC
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Subject: Re: [manet] IETF 117 presentation: Babel with IEEE802.11
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Hi Juliusz, I am happy to do some effort related to Babel. On Sat, Jul 29, 2023 at 4:09 PM Juliusz Chroboczek <jch@irif.fr> wrote: > > I don't agree with the replies we heard from two wg participants > > Perhaps we didn't grok their comments in the same manner. > > My understanding is that there is a lack of interest to work on Babel in > 11s *within* the Manet working group. Yes that is right we are not interested in L2 routing (because we want many possible different links) but we are interested in routing in L3 and to use L2 information as DLEP or IEEE802.11 or IEEE802.15 or other, because MANET routing use cases include nodes that may have similar or different link capabilities. On the other hand, there's nothing > that prevents us from creating a group to work on it outside the IETF. > Yes we can do that if needed, but the issue I understood from the presentation of Donald was that we may use IEEE802.11 capability by Babel routing (in L2 or in L3) to extend a better representation for MANET use cases. So I am interested in Babel L3 routing but with possible using information of L2 as we say always in our MANET work, especially in OLSRv2 and AODVv2. > Once we have an internet-draft and a working prototype, there's nothing > preventing us from having this discussion again within the Manet WG. > I agree with you, and would like to join you to have informational_draft, and I think this WG will be interested to work on the ability of Babel routing in L3 while using use cases of IEEE802.11s and DLEP RFC8175. Best Regards AB
- [manet] IETF 117 presentation: Babel with IEEE802… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: [manet] IETF 117 presentation: Babel with IEE… Henning Rogge
- Re: [manet] IETF 117 presentation: Babel with IEE… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [manet] IETF 117 presentation: Babel with IEE… Henning Rogge
- Re: [manet] IETF 117 presentation: Babel with IEE… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [manet] IETF 117 presentation: Babel with IEE… Christopher Dearlove
- Re: [manet] IETF 117 presentation: Babel with IEE… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: [manet] IETF 117 presentation: Babel with IEE… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [manet] IETF 117 presentation: Babel with IEE… Donald Eastlake