Re: [Manycouches] ways to slow list traffic down --- Re: [Add] Slowing the list traffic down a bit: listening more and saying less

Wes Hardaker <wjhns1@hardakers.net> Thu, 29 August 2019 14:19 UTC

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From: Wes Hardaker <wjhns1@hardakers.net>
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Subject: Re: [Manycouches] ways to slow list traffic down --- Re: [Add] Slowing the list traffic down a bit: listening more and saying less
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Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> writes:

> On 8/28/19 7:38 PM, Wes Hardaker wrote:
> 
> > I had mentioned in our couch-round discussion I think that I wanted
> > create a virtual "mic line" using recorded videos/presentations where
> > anyone that wanted to respond to others would functionally get 2 spots a
> > day in line,
> 
> Maybe a bad analogy?   IMO the mic line has killed more productive
> discussion than any single other change to IETF from early days, even
> more than PowerPoint if that's possible.

Well, that may be the case but it's the closest analogy we have.  I like
*threaded* mail readers (and don't see how anyone reads IETF mail
without thread trees), and well written/described/thought-out
conversations.  I think I'm trying to combine the benefits of both mic
lines and threaded email.  I agree that too much formalism (eg
powerpoints) can get in the way, but so can too little.

[side note: I tell all newcomers into the ietf when I meet them to read
up ahead of time, because our usual power point presentations assume you
understand the issues and don't have background/overview slides most of
the time]

-- 
Wes Hardaker
USC/ISI