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Hi Martin,
Lots of excellent comments.  A question inline
Thanks,
Stephan

From: media-types <media-types-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Martin J. Dürst <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
Date: Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:56
To: IETF mediaman WG <media-types@ietf.org>
Subject: [media-types] WG Last call comments on draft-ietf-mediaman-haptics-03
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"This document defines a new top-level type 'haptics' according to
Section 4.2.7 of [RFC6838].": What actually happened was that we were
developing new process (in draft-ietf-mediaman-toplevel) and trying that
process out with the -haptics draft. If it wouldn't be for the -haptics
draft, we wouldn't have worked on the -toplevel draft. So it should say
"This document defines a new top-level type 'haptics' according to
draft-ietf-mediaman-toplevel." For first-time draft/RFC authors, that
may look strange, but the RFC editor will make sure that the reference
to draft-ietf-mediaman-toplevel gets replaced with a reference to the
resulting RFC. Publishing two or more RFCs at a time is part of their
job, they do that quite often. If you want to help them, you can look at
how I referenced the -haptics draft in the -toplevel draft, with RFC XXXX.

I believe the haptics I-D is referenced in your toplevel I-D as informative, hence non-blocking from an RFC-editor publication viewpoint.  If your suggestion is to reference the toplevel-I-D also informatively in the haptics I-D, I have no concerns.  If you are shooting for a normative reference, however, I would push back a bit.  The reason is purely pragmatic: procedural RFCs like the toplevel I-D can often see many years of delay from procedure-oriented discussions, whereas a technical solution I-D like the I-D in question can move faster.  I would rather want to decouple the two to the extent possible.  Please clarify whether you shoot for an informative or normative reference in the subject draft.

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