Re: [MEDIACTRL] FW: Race condition between msc-ivr dialogstart and SIP ACK

Eric Burger <> Mon, 19 July 2010 21:13 UTC

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Subject: Re: [MEDIACTRL] FW: Race condition between msc-ivr dialogstart and SIP ACK
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Require TCP, TLS, or reliable SCTP only?  That is, no UDP allowed?

That might fly.  Comments from others, especially those that today do not have TCP stacks?

On Jul 6, 2010, at 3:27 AM, RahulSrivastava 71616 wrote:

> Any automata which relies on time for success cases doesn't look good.
> This problem is same if you use INFO/ACK (on UDP).
> INFO reaches earlier as compared to ACK then INFO is generally queued (based on wait logic as described by you).
> In long run I'll prefer reliable connecction to be used between MS and AS.
> Regards,
> Rahul
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> From: "WORLEY, Dale R (Dale)" <>
> Date: Monday, July 5, 2010 11:41 pm
> Subject: Re: [MEDIACTRL] FW: Race condition between msc-ivr dialogstart and SIP ACK
> To: Stéphane Bastien <>, "" <>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: [mailto:mediactrl-
>>] On Behalf Of Stéphane Bastien
>> 5.       Application Server sends a SIP ACK with the answer SDP to 
>> the Media Server
>> 6.       Application Server transmits over the control channel an 
>> msc-ivr <dialogstart> with a connectionid of the media session 
>> established in step 5
>> The problem is what happens if the SIP ACK transmitted in step 5 
>> gets lost in the network? One of the retransmissions of the SIP 
>> ACK may eventually reach the Media Server, but will be received 
>> later than the dialogstart from step 6. Yet, the Media Server 
>> can’t execute the dialogstart until the SIP ACK is received, 
>> otherwise the user gets media clipping.
>> I'm currently thinking of handling  this scenario by waiting for a 
>> few seconds in step 6 if the SIP ACK is missing, and execute 
>> <dialogstart> as soon as the SIP ACK arrives. If the SIP ACK does 
>> not arrive, the MS returns the msc-ivr status code 412 "Media 
>> stream not available". (Could we create an error code for this 
>> specific scenario to make it easier to detect by the AS?) An 
>> alternate approach would be for the AS to subscribe to the state 
>> of a connectionid, and the Media Server would send a "Media Stream 
>> Established" notification when receiving the SIP ACK in step 5.
>> ________________________________________
>> (Speaking as an individual.)
>> I'm not familiar with this particular application, but in general, 
>> it's easier to implement a protocol if actions are taken on when 
>> indications are received rather than based on timeouts.  So it 
>> would seem more robust and easier to code if we required the MS to 
>> send an indication to the AS that it had received the answer SDP, 
>> and the AS would then send the <dialogstart>.  But it appears that 
>> the mechanism for doing that is having the AS specifically 
>> subscribe to the connectionid (carried in the SDP?) and then wait 
>> for a notification, which adds several more steps.
>> Is there a way to do this which works the same way regardless of 
>> which end sends the offer SDP?
>> Dale
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