[Megaco] Updated H.248 Package Registration Procedures Draft
Christian Groves <Christian.Groves@nteczone.com> Fri, 14 March 2008 00:22 UTC
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Hello all, The draft-groves-megaco-pkgereg-01.txt has now been updated. See: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-groves-megaco-pkgereg-01.txt The main changes have been to clarify that the IESG appoints the Expert reviewer and that the documents for review have to be made available to the expert reviewer. These changes were in response to comments from one of the RAI ADs. If you're interested in the comments see the end of this email. There was some concern from the ADs that as there was little discussion on the Megaco Mailing list that there was no consensus on this issue. For those with an interest I would encourage you to respond even if its "I agree to update the procedures". As this issue has been around for quite some time my intention is to request publication as an RFC in two weeks (28 March) so please let me know your comments before then. Regards, Christian Cullen Jennings wrote: > > It's not actually IANA that allocates the expert review it is IETF so > would need to change make it clear the expert was appointed by IETF > not IANA. Specifically the experts are appointed by IESG. [CNG] No problem I can make the change from make it clear that the IESG appoints the expert, I see this as a rather minor change. I've referred to this person as the "IANA Expert" what do you suggest changing this to? Narten uses "Expert Reviewer" but considering this text will also appear in ITU documents should it be "IETF Expert Reviewer", "IESG Appointed Expert Reviewer", or? > > As I have mentioned before, IANA is not keen on the two stage process, > I am willing to go talk to IESG about this if you want and see if this > is likely to fly or not. IANA would want the expert review before the > IP registration - the goal here is to have the expert not IANA check > that the rules such as character length and and such had been > satisfied. Could you live with not having the two stage process? I > understand the problem of this for early developers of packages. [CNG] Yes please talk to IESG, but I thought the IANA had the problem? This two stage process is already part of the IANA process. Please look at: http://www.iana.org/assignments/megaco-h248 there is a heading "Status" which has "In Progress (IP) and Final (FI). Today requests for Package IDs get sent to IANA who communicates with Tom Taylor. I guess he says ok (I don't see the emails) and IANA gets back to say the package is registered. Its registered with (IP). Then once the package is approved by the body that wrote it, they then request IANA to set the status to (FI). It is then clear for people who look at the IANA registration what state is package is in and both organisations are aligned. This was important because of the MEGACO WG and Q.3/16 link. So as I've mentioned the draft is not trying to change this element of an already existing process. The process was designed for groups to be able to get PackageID information before their documents were finalised. This was to allow other standards bodies to be able to approve their own document. Having a Final status then allows the IANA/IETF to know that the work is finished. Having IANA as the central place to send registration requests and then they communicate with the expert reviewer allows other standards group to have a central contact point. How does Tispan / ITU / 3GPP / MSF know who each of the relevant experts in each area. I don't know of any page that has this information. The experts are also likely to change. The process is in alignment with the Narten draft which states " IANA forwards requests for an assignment to the expert for evaluation, and the expert (after performing the evaluation) informs IANA whether or not to make the assignment or registration." With regards to your comment "I understand the problem of this for early developers of packages." I'm not really sure what you mean? > > For non public documents "made available for review" is a bit > undefined. Would this require a NDA in some cases? Is there any > reasons not to just use "Specification required" here as defined in > draft-narten-iana-considerations-rfc2434bis? [CNG] The issue here is that some organisations don't have their working drafts "publicaly available". They have them available to their members. E.g. you need to be a member of the ITU to get TDs for study Group meetings. So in this case if the Expert Reviewer is not a member of the ITU they won't be able to download the document via a public link. It must be sent to them. I don't think that a NDA is needed. Sending the document would be no different than sending a liaison/communication between standards bodies. Thus the problem with "specification required" being linked to a "publically available document" from the Narten draft means that a standards body would have to approve the document first before registration. However we actually want the Expert Reviewer to look at an early copy before the text is finalised and set in stone. It is much harder and causes more delay to provide comments at a late stage. Effectively its the problem we are having now... Regards, Christian _______________________________________________ Megaco mailing list Megaco@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/megaco
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