Re: [MMUSIC] WG poll on 3dformat and parallax drafts following recent IPR declarations

["DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" <[e-mail]>]

I believe we should have a discussion on this at Paris, and then after that totally rerun the question for the adoption of the text of these drafts.

Regards

Keith

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf
> Of Miguel A. Garcia
> Sent: 02 March 2012 07:29
> To: mmusic
> Cc: Flemming Andreasen
> Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] WG poll on 3dformat and parallax drafts following
> recent IPR declarations
> 
> <as an individual>
> 
> So, from the data below, a patent application of the 3D draft was file on
> March 2nd 2011, and the first version of the corresponding 3D draft was
> submitted the following day. What a coincidence!!!
> 
> The second one: A patent application was filed 6 months before the
> submission of the first version of the draft, yet none in the authors'
> affiliated company was apparently aware of this patent application until
> a couple of weeks ago.
> 
> It is hard to digest that the procedures of RFC 3979 have been followed
> here.
> 
> /Miguel
> 
> </as an individual>
> 
> On 28/02/2012 0:35, Flemming Andreasen wrote:
> > Hello MMUSIC group
> >
> > Following the initial submission and WG presentation of the 3dformat and
> > parallax drafts, the WG expressed an interest in working on these topics
> > and milestones were added to the MMUSIC charter. At the last IETF, the
> > chairs polled the group for interest in adopting
> >
> > draft-greevenbosch-mmusic-signal-3d-format-02
> >
> > and
> >
> > draft-greevenbosch-mmusic-parallax-attribute-01
> >
> > as WG items for these milestones. A WG hum indicated support in the room
> > for doing so, and hence they were adopted and resubmitted as WG drafts.
> >
> > At the time, there was no known IPR on either of these drafts, however
> > the authors' affiliated company has subsequently submitted IPR
> > declarations for both of these drafts. Since the 3dformat and parallax
> > drafts were adopted as WG items without knowledge of the potential IPR
> > issue, the chairs would like to sense the group for whether it still
> > wishes to have these as WG items.
> >
> > The IPR declarations on the drafts are as follows:
> >
> > 1) draft-ietf-mmusic-signal-3d-format-00 had a Huawei IPR declaration
> 1673:
> > http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1673/
> >
> > which points to the following patent application:
> > http://ip.com/sipoen/102137298
> >
> > Apparently this patent application was filed on March 2nd, 201 and the
> > first version of this draft was published as
> > draft-greevenbosch-mmusic-signal-3d-format-00.txt on March 3rd, 2011.
> >
> > 2) draft-ietf-mmusic-parallax-attribute-00 had a Huawei IPR declaration
> 1674:
> > http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1674/
> >
> > which points to the following patent application:
> > http://ip.com/sipoen/102137264
> >
> > Apparently this patent application was filed on August 25th, 2010 and
> the
> > first version of this draft was submitted as
> > draft-greevenbosch-mmusic-parallax-attribute-00.txt on February 25th,
> 2011.
> >
> >
> > We would like to remind all WG participants of their obligation to
> > dislose any known IPR in accordance with RFC 3979 and in particular in
> > accordance with the procedures stated in Section 6.2.1 of RFC 3979,
> which
> > says:
> >
> > The IPR disclosure required pursuant to section 6.1.1 must be made as
> > soon as reasonably possible after the Contribution is published in an
> > Internet Draft unless the required disclosure is already on file.
> >
> >
> > The CCAMP WG experienced a similar incident recently, and as a result
> > sent out a more detailed reminder, which is appropriate for everybody
> > here to read as well:
> >
> >                         http://www.ietf.org/mail-
> archive/web/ccamp/current/msg13082.html
> >
> > Again, since the 3dformat and parallax drafts were adopted as WG items
> > without knowledge of the potential IPR issue, the chairs are hereby
> > soliciting the WG for feedback as to whether people still wish to have
> > these drafts as WG items.
> >
> >
> > Please comment
> >
> > Flemming and Miguel (MMUSIC chairs)
> >
> 
> --
> Miguel A. Garcia
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