Re: [MMUSIC] Existing missmatch between SDP mux and BUNDLE
Flemming Andreasen <fandreas@cisco.com> Fri, 22 September 2017 16:19 UTC
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Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] Existing missmatch between SDP mux and BUNDLE
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On 9/22/17 10:56 AM, Magnus Westerlund wrote: > Hi, > > SDP Mux says: > > The attributes and their associated values (if any) in the IDENTICAL > category MUST be repeated across all the media descriptions under > multiplexing. > > This I interpret as you really MUST include it each and every m= section that are bundled. Agreed. > While BUNDLE with its updated text says, that you only should include the SDP attribute in the m= sections > that are first on any a=group:BUNDLE line, and not in another unless they have unique > transport information for the case of legacy fallback into individual lines. It depends on how we interpret "associated with" - if it simply means "included as part of the media description" then I agree with you. > Thus, I see SDP-mux require inclusion of the SDP attribute on each m= section in all cases and BUNDLE to > forbid such includion with the m= section in some cases. Thus, in those cases there is a conflict between > two different MUST statements. I think you are right - maybe Christer can clarify the "associated with" term ? Thanks -- Flemming > Cheers > > Magnus > > > Den 2017-09-22 kl. 15:29, skrev Flemming Andreasen: >> Hi Magnus >> >> Can you elaborate on the mismatch ? I understand they do not say the >> same thing, but it's not clear to me they are actually in conflict >> with each other. >> >> How do you interpret the line ("associate" in particular) >> <quote> >> Otherwise the offerer/answerer MUST NOT associate such SDP attributes >> with the "m=" line. >> <quote> >> >> Is the issue that bundle is relaxing the MUST requirement in bundle ? >> >> Thanks >> >> -- Flemming >> >> On 9/20/17 7:20 AM, Magnus Westerlund wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> We are currently in AUTH48 for draft-ietf-avtcore-rfc5285bis which >>> references Bundle and SDP-Mux as it defines the mux category for its >>> SDP attributes. As we made some last minute changes to MUX catergory >>> for the extmap-allowed-mixed attribute we found some text needing >>> changes. This anyway resulted in us noticing a missmatch between >>> BUNDLE and sdp-mux. >>> >>> So Bundle (-39) states: >>> >>> 8.1. Mux Category Considerations >>> >>> When an offerer or answerer associates SDP attributes with a bundled >>> "m=" line (including any bundle-only "m=" line) associated with a >>> shared address, IDENTICAL and TRANSPORT mux category SDP attributes >>> [I-D.ietf-mmusic-sdp-mux-attributes] are associated with the "m=" >>> line only if the "m=" line is also associated with the offerer/ >>> answerer BUNDLE-tag. Otherwise the offerer/answerer MUST NOT >>> associate such SDP attributes with the "m=" line. The rule above >>> does not apply to a bundled "m=" line associated with a unique >>> address. >>> >>> >>> However, SDP-mux states: >>> >>> 4.3. Category: IDENTICAL >>> >>> The attributes and their associated values (if any) in the IDENTICAL >>> category MUST be repeated across all the media descriptions under >>> multiplexing. >>> >>> To my understanding the first is correct, but the change in BUNDLE has not been >>> reflected into SDP-mux doc. I assume that is in part due to its approved status. >>> Has the authors tracked the set of changes that are needed due to changes in BUNDLE? >>> >>> Do there exist a text change for this missmatch? >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Magnus Westerlund >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Media Technologies, Ericsson Research >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Ericsson AB | Phone +46 10 7148287 >>> Torshamnsgatan 23 | Mobile +46 73 0949079 >>> SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto:magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> mmusic mailing list >>> mmusic@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic >> > > -- > > Magnus Westerlund > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Media Technologies, Ericsson Research > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ericsson AB | Phone +46 10 7148287 > Torshamnsgatan 23 | Mobile +46 73 0949079 > SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto:magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
- Re: [MMUSIC] Existing missmatch between SDP mux a… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [MMUSIC] Existing missmatch between SDP mux a… Flemming Andreasen
- Re: [MMUSIC] Existing missmatch between SDP mux a… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Existing missmatch between SDP mux a… Jonathan Lennox
- [MMUSIC] Existing missmatch between SDP mux and B… Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [MMUSIC] Existing missmatch between SDP mux a… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Existing missmatch between SDP mux a… Flemming Andreasen
- Re: [MMUSIC] Existing missmatch between SDP mux a… Flemming Andreasen
- Re: [MMUSIC] Existing missmatch between SDP mux a… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Existing missmatch between SDP mux a… Taylor Brandstetter
- Re: [MMUSIC] Existing missmatch between SDP mux a… Jonathan Lennox
- Re: [MMUSIC] Existing missmatch between SDP mux a… Flemming Andreasen
- Re: [MMUSIC] Existing missmatch between SDP mux a… Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [MMUSIC] Existing missmatch between SDP mux a… Flemming Andreasen
- Re: [MMUSIC] Existing missmatch between SDP mux a… Taylor Brandstetter
- Re: [MMUSIC] Existing missmatch between SDP mux a… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Existing missmatch between SDP mux a… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Existing missmatch between SDP mux a… Taylor Brandstetter
- Re: [MMUSIC] Existing missmatch between SDP mux a… Paul Kyzivat