Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mux-attributes-12.txt
Bo Burman <bo.burman@ericsson.com> Tue, 26 January 2016 17:37 UTC
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From: Bo Burman <bo.burman@ericsson.com>
To: Suhas Nandakumar <suhasietf@gmail.com>, Taylor Brandstetter <deadbeef@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mux-attributes-12.txt
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Hi, From what I can understand, there seems to be no reason to change –mux-attributes-12 at this point. I also see no opposition to Suhas’ proposal below that if a clarification is needed, it should go into the BUNDLE draft. If there are no further comments, I intend to proceed with the publication request of –mux-attributes-12. /Bo MMUSIC co-chair From: Suhas Nandakumar [mailto:suhasietf@gmail.com] Sent: den 22 januari 2016 05:34 To: Taylor Brandstetter Cc: Christer Holmberg; Bo Burman; mmusic WG; Peter Thatcher Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mux-attributes-12.txt Hello Christer/Bo/Peter Do we think the understanding of dealing with the candidates when muxing is clear or does either of the drafts needs more explanation on what needs to be done. Thanks Suhas On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 8:45 PM, Suhas Nandakumar <suhasietf@gmail.com<mailto:suhasietf@gmail.com>> wrote: I agree with Taylor. The Mux draft assigns category "TRANSPORT" to the ICE candidates. So the candidate information from the "m=" line which corresponds to the BUNDLED m=line shall be considered for the entire group. As far as implementation is concerned, i think one should be fine just trickling the candidate information for the m=line selected for a given BUNDLE group and no need to copy it for the rest unless there is a explicit need (Initial offer, plan to change the bundle group address, drop a m=line) to include different candidates. I would recommend we update the BUNDLE draft (if there is any confusion) to match the MUX draft unless people think otherwise. Hope this helps. Tanks Suhas On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Taylor Brandstetter <deadbeef@google.com<mailto:deadbeef@google.com>> wrote: "candidate" is in the TRANSPORT category though, which doesn't prevent it from being different in different media sections. It's the BUNDLE negotiation draft that imposes the candidate duplication requirement, with a combination of these two paragraphs: When the answerer selects a BUNDLE address for itself, referred to as the answerer BUNDLE address, it MUST associate that address with each bundled "m=" line within the created BUNDLE group in the answer. When an offerer or answerer associates a shared address (i.e. a previously selected BUNDLE address) with one or more bundled "m=" lines, it MUST associate identical ICE candidates (referred to as shared ICE candidates) with each of those "m=" lines. On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 4:29 AM, Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com<mailto:christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>> wrote: Hi, There is also another issue: Some time ago, Peter Thatcher asked whether it is really needed to include the SDP candidate attributes in all bundled m- lines. http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/mmusic/current/msg15331.html Looking at SDP attributes in general, I guess the question is: if an attribute belongs to IDENTICAL, does it need to be included in all m- lines within a BUNDLE group? Regards, Christer From: Suhas Nandakumar [mailto:suhasietf@gmail.com<mailto:suhasietf@gmail.com>] Sent: 14. tammikuuta 2016 22:51 To: Christer Holmberg Cc: Bo Burman; mmusic WG; Taylor Brandstetter Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mux-attributes-12.txt Thanks Christer for bringing this to our notice. I just responded to Taylor's clarification question and I don't think the response to his question changes any of the behavior for BUNDLE or MUX. Please let me know your thoughts on my response. Thanks Suhas On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com<mailto:christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>> wrote: Hold on :) Some time ago there was a question from Taylor Brandstetter. Was that solved? The topic mentioned BUNDLE, but I think the question was also related to the sdp-mux-attribute draft. http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/mmusic/current/msg15421.html Regards, Christer From: mmusic [mailto:mmusic-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:mmusic-bounces@ietf.org>] On Behalf Of Bo Burman Sent: 14 January 2016 18:09 To: Suhas Nandakumar <suhasietf@gmail.com<mailto:suhasietf@gmail.com>> Cc: mmusic WG <mmusic@ietf.org<mailto:mmusic@ietf.org>> Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mux-attributes-12.txt Thank you Suhas, I believe this version addresses all comments provided, has no remaining nits, and I thus intend to use it for the publication request. Cheers, /Bo MMUSIC co-chair From: mmusic [mailto:mmusic-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Suhas Nandakumar Sent: den 14 januari 2016 15:34 To: internet-drafts@ietf.org<mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org> Cc: mmusic WG; i-d-announce@ietf.org<mailto:i-d-announce@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mux-attributes-12.txt Hello All This version fixes couple of ID nits and updates the references to the latest RFCs. Cheers suhas On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 6:32 AM, <internet-drafts@ietf.org<mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org>> wrote: A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group of the IETF. Title : A Framework for SDP Attributes when Multiplexing Author : Suhas Nandakumar Filename : draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mux-attributes-12.txt Pages : 96 Date : 2016-01-14 Abstract: The Session Description Protocol (SDP) provides mechanisms to describe attributes of multimedia sessions and of individual media streams (e.g., Real-time Transport Protocol (RTP) sessions) within a multimedia session. Typically media associated with individual media descriptions ("m=" lines) represent RTP sessions and are thus carried over individual underlying transport layer flows. For scenarios where SDP is used to negotiate the usage of single 5-tuple for sending and receiving media associated with multiple media descriptions, it is required to understand the semantic implications of the SDP attributes associated with the RTP Media Streams multiplexed over a single underlying transport layer flow. The purpose of this specification is to provide a framework for analyzing the multiplexing characteristics of SDP attributes. This specification also categorizes the existing SDP attributes based on the framework described herein. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mux-attributes/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mux-attributes-12 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mux-attributes-12 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org<http://tools.ietf.org>. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ mmusic mailing list mmusic@ietf.org<mailto:mmusic@ietf.org> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic
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- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mu… Suhas Nandakumar
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mu… Bo Burman
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mu… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mu… Suhas Nandakumar
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mu… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mu… Taylor Brandstetter
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mu… Suhas Nandakumar
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mu… Suhas Nandakumar
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mu… Bo Burman