RE: [MMUSIC] Re: ICE micro-lite for support of IPv6 transition
"Jean-Francois Mule" <jf.mule@cablelabs.com> Thu, 03 May 2007 13:55 UTC
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Subject: RE: [MMUSIC] Re: ICE micro-lite for support of IPv6 transition
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 07:55:02 -0600
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From: Jean-Francois Mule <jf.mule@cablelabs.com>
To: Jonathan Rosenberg <jdrosen@cisco.com>
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Jonathan Rosenberg wrote: > > > >>3. be much simpler than ICE-full for dual-stack endpoints that are > not > >>natted > > > > After reading a few drafts and archives in the v6ops group (old and > > current), there are known limitations of 3484 and many proposals on > how > > the address selection mechanism should be updated or improved to > > ultimately guarantee connectivity. This goes beyond the NAT cases, > and > > it is sometimes applicable to multi-homed v6 nodes, etc. > > > > References: > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-v6onbydefault-03 > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-arifumi-v6ops-addr-select-ps-01 > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-v6ops-addr-select- > req-01. > > txt > > http://www.ops.ietf.org/lists/v6ops/v6ops.2004/msg01072.html > > > > When I read your proposal trying to connect the dots between this > thread > > and the above v6ops references (looking at it as someone deciding > what > > to implement in a dual-stack host given the current state of the > art), > > it seems to me that with ICE, we have a mechanism to resolve those > > potential 3484 issues by doing connectivity checks. Yet, we're about > to > > say, no, just do ICE-lite+ and no connectivity checks. > > No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying, if you think you can deal with > the > following limitations A,B, and C, then use ice-lite. Otherwise, use > full, and full is always better. > > In the case of dual-stack, I don't follow v6ops, so if you could > provide > some text that I could include in ICE, summarizing limitations, giving > some guidance for when to use full, that would be great. I will start a thread on v6ops with some proposed txt "summarizing limitations and giving some guidance for when to use full" and see where we end up there before coming back at this. > > At a minimum, there should be a strong statement made in the draft > > that > > dual-stack hosts using 3484 SHOULD consider full implementation of ^^^^^^ > > ICE. > > I think that this is true in general, not just for dual stack. The > introduction, section 2.7, says this: > > It is important to note that the lite implementation was added to > this specification to provide a stepping stone to full > implementation. Even for devices that are always connected to the > public Internet, a full implementation is preferable if achievable. ^^^^^^^^^^ > > and later in the appendix: > > It is important to note that the lite implementation was added to > this specification to provide a stepping stone to full > implementation. Even for devices that are always connected to the > public Internet, a full implementation is preferable if achievable. ^^^^^^^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ In both instances, I note the lack of requirements verb: at best, this will be interpreted as a lower case may. I was thinking RECOMMENDED or SHOULD. Jean-Francois. _______________________________________________ mmusic mailing list mmusic@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic
- [MMUSIC] ICE micro-lite for support of IPv6 trans… Elwell, John
- RE: [MMUSIC] Re: ICE micro-lite for support of IP… Guylain Lavoie
- [MMUSIC] Re: ICE micro-lite for support of IPv6 t… Jonathan Rosenberg
- [MMUSIC] Re: ICE micro-lite for support of IPv6 t… Eric Tremblay
- RE: [MMUSIC] Re: ICE micro-lite for support of IP… Francois Audet
- Re: [MMUSIC] Re: ICE micro-lite for support of IP… Eric Cooper
- RE: [MMUSIC] Re: ICE micro-lite for support of IP… Francois Audet
- RE: [MMUSIC] Re: ICE micro-lite for support of IP… Elwell, John
- [MMUSIC] RE: ICE micro-lite for support of IPv6 t… Elwell, John
- [MMUSIC] Re: ICE micro-lite for support of IPv6 t… Jonathan Rosenberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Re: ICE micro-lite for support of IP… Jonathan Rosenberg
- RE: [MMUSIC] Re: ICE micro-lite for support of IP… Francois Audet
- Re: [MMUSIC] Re: ICE micro-lite for support of IP… Jonathan Rosenberg
- RE: [MMUSIC] Re: ICE micro-lite for support of IP… Francois Audet
- RE: [MMUSIC] Re: ICE micro-lite for support of IP… Brian Stucker
- RE: [MMUSIC] Re: ICE micro-lite for support of IP… Francois Audet
- Re: [MMUSIC] Re: ICE micro-lite for support of IP… Rémi Denis-Courmont
- Re: [MMUSIC] Re: ICE micro-lite for support of IP… Jonathan Rosenberg
- RE: [MMUSIC] Re: ICE micro-lite for support of IP… Francois Audet
- RE: [MMUSIC] Re: ICE micro-lite for support of IP… Elwell, John
- RE: [MMUSIC] Re: ICE micro-lite for support of IP… Brian Stucker
- RE: [MMUSIC] Re: ICE micro-lite for support of IP… Jean-Francois Mule
- Re: [MMUSIC] Re: ICE micro-lite for support of IP… Jonathan Rosenberg
- RE: [MMUSIC] Re: ICE micro-lite for support of IP… Jean-Francois Mule
- Re: [MMUSIC] Re: ICE micro-lite for support of IP… Jonathan Rosenberg