Re: [MMUSIC] [mmusic] #20 (rfc4566bis): 4566bis: Lack of a consistent format for defining new attributes.
Flemming Andreasen <fandreas@cisco.com> Fri, 18 July 2014 21:34 UTC
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Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 17:34:44 -0400
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I think I agree with 4), but the important part here is that we actually get a valid ABNF for all extensions. -- Flemming On 7/9/14, 8:57 AM, mmusic issue tracker wrote: > #20: 4566bis: Lack of a consistent format for defining new attributes. > > Paul K.: Many people look to 4566 for examples of how to do this, but it > provides bad examples. IMO 4566bis should show the definition of all > attributes in a style that complies with a recommended format for defining > attributes. (Of course that implies that we could agree on such a format.) > > From http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/mmusic/current/msg13471.html > > One question is whether the definition of a new attribute should: > 1) define the full syntax of the line (starting with "a="), > 2) should provide additional definitions of <attribute> (via "/=") > 3) should provide additional definitions of <att-field> and <att-value> > (via "/=") > 4) provide definitions of the name and value that are consistent with > <att-field> and <att-value> without formally extending the > definitions of those. > > Note that 4566 loosely follows (4) but gives the definitions informally > rather than via ABNF. So it gives no guidance on how to use ABNF for this. > A number of drafts have chosen to follow (2). Some have started to do (1) > but I don't know of any that ended up that way. > > A question I have raised is: if (2) or (3) is followed, does that mean > that the draft doing so must be considered as "updating" 4566? > > One thing that people sometimes forget when defining new attributes is > that the syntax of the new attribute MUST also be valid when parsed by the > "generic" attribute syntax. AFAIK there is no way in ABNF to specify that. > I think that (4) comes closest. >
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