[Mod-discuss] Re: WGLC comments on draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes-11
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Subject: [Mod-discuss] Re: WGLC comments on draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes-11
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On 10/6/25 10:41 AM, Rob Sayre wrote: > > > On 10/6/25 3:47 AM, Eliot Lear wrote: >>> >>> Nits: >>> >>> In Section 4, the following text is unclear: >>> >>>> To address disruptive behavior in a timely manner, only moderation >>>> actions suspending participation privileges for longer than fourteen >>>> (14) days shall be reported to the forum to which such an action >>>> applies. >>> The "only" here creates some ambiguity for me. I could interpret >>> this as saying either : >>> >>> * Actions that span more than 14 days must be reported. >>> * Actions that are 14 days or less must not be reported. >>> * Both. >>> >>> I think that the intent is for both to apply, but this is not clear >>> from the phrasing. >> >> I agree that this is ambiguous. We had something of a discussion about >> this already, but the intent of the group was really the former and >> not the latter. That leaves the administrator some latitude. We can >> clarify this. >> > I think we already fixed this one a few weeks ago: > > https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/ > pull/236#issuecomment-3313862568 > And, fwiw, I only meant "Actions that span more than 14 days must be reported." But, administrators /can/ report earlier if something really out-of-order is going on. That's left unsaid, but seems obvious to me. Just like a chair can cut someone off at the mic. That's public as well. thanks, Rob
- [Mod-discuss] WGLC comments on draft-ietf-modpod-… Martin Thomson
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WGLC comments on draft-ietf-mod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WGLC comments on draft-ietf-mod… Martin Thomson
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WGLC comments on draft-ietf-mod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WGLC comments on draft-ietf-mod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WGLC comments on draft-ietf-mod… Jay Daley
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WGLC comments on draft-ietf-mod… Brian E Carpenter
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WGLC comments on draft-ietf-mod… Jay Daley
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WGLC comments on draft-ietf-mod… Martin Thomson