[Mod-discuss] Re: Moderator Team Procedures - For Community Input
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On 24-Oct-26 07:58, Ted Lemon wrote:
> We are actually disagreeing on two key points, which are actually rooted in a single misunderstanding: if we frame our remedies as punishment, we are necessarily framing the behavior being remedied as a moral issue.
It's hard to disagree. I think we should try to avoid somewhat loaded words like "sanction" and always use the most neutral term available, like "remedy" or "action".
Note that RFC 9945 does not use the word "sanction". It goes as far as "corrective actions" and "admonishment."
Brian
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