[Mod-discuss] Re: Follow up from modpod IETF 123 (Madrid) meeting

[Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]>]

On 27-Jul-25 08:27, Watson Ladd wrote:
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> Astra mortemque praestare gradatim
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> On Wed, Jul 23, 2025, 11:33 PM Eliot Lear <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
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>     I think we need to consult the LLC on the need for immediate action by moderators. If something is that urgent, it's probably not just a matter of moderation.

If it's that urgent, I sincerely hope that the LLC will take immediate action and ask questions afterwards.

    Brian

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> I disagree. I think waiting moves this less into moderation and more into post-facto adjudication. I'd rather have a less drastic action early.
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> I'd prefer the chairs act first but I see no reason to expect them always to be on top of it: humans take weekends and sleep
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>     Eliot
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>     On 23.07.2025 18:07, Rob Sayre wrote:
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>>     I heard a few comments on the mic:
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>>     Ted Lemon made a point about acting immediately when necessary. The 14-day window is meant to allow for quick action (to remove the worry of making a mistake or publicly embarrassing someone), but perhaps it could be clearer. I keep repeating myself on this point, but people keep raising it as well... so maybe the document needs some work here. I think moderators moving quickly is easily in bounds: "messages held, cc: chairs@workinggroup". If the chairs disagree, that can be sorted out in private.
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>>     There's also an option to hold /every/ message on a list for moderation. That choice can make sense. If someone sends something especially nasty, it's not like matters will immediately return to a civilized technical discussion.
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>>     Chris Box's point about holding someone's messages without telling them is out of bounds I think, and not because it isn't tempting sometimes. The reason is that people must be able to appeal a moderator team action, and to do that, they must know about it. But of course there will be what we might call "write-only" participants. There, I don't think you have to /explain/ that they can appeal. It can just be "Your messages have been held for moderation, as described in RFC NNNN". So it almost sounds like a bot.
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>>     thanks,
>>     Rob
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