Re: [Model-t] draft-arkko-farrell-arch-model-t-00

Bret Jordan <jordan.ietf@gmail.com> Thu, 07 November 2019 15:20 UTC

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Withdrawn.  

I felt when you presented, a lot of the ideas were similar to what Dominique had published. Then when you did not acknowledge her draft even though there were only three drafts published, I felt like you were purposefully shunning her. That was the basis of my concern.

However, after re-reviewing, I see that you published your document first. So I formally apologize for claiming that you incorporated her ideas.   


Thanks,
Bret
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> On Nov 6, 2019, at 5:45 PM, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hiya,
> 
> On 06/11/2019 23:39, Martin Thomson wrote:
>> misunderstanding.
> 
> As you know, for an academic, allegations of plagiarism are
> not something to treat as just a possible misunderstanding.
> 
> I've had a couple of students over the last 15+ years who
> failed their courses solely because I or a colleague
> spotted exactly that kind of mis-behaviour - it wouldn't be
> credible for me to check for that if I didn't react to
> similar accusations against me as being serious.
> 
> In this case, Jari and I have been accused of plagiarism:
> "I see content from it has been incorporated" is a quote
> from [1], referring to a -00 draft published by the author
> of [1] on July 8th 2019. [2]
> 
> Our recent draft [3] is substantially the merge of drafts
> first pubslished in April 2019 [4,5], the latest versions
> of which (pre-merge) were dated July 6th 2019 and July 9th
> 2019.
> 
> I have requested three times that that accusation be
> withdrawn or justified. That request has not been
> acknowledged nor answered, but was met by additional
> irrelevant and incorrect pejoratives.
> 
> No text has been quoted to demonstrate any issue, never
> mind such a serious issue as plagiarism.
> 
> I hope it is clear that this accusation is both serious
> and unfounded and therefore needs to be withdrawn.
> 
> It may be the case that the someone didn't understand
> that they made a serious accusation. If so, I hope this
> mail should have fully explained that.
> 
> S.
> 
> [1]
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/model-t/1oU-aP-aA70j3nl_6aYNssmfjaI
> [2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lazanski-smart-users-internet/
> [3] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-arkko-farrell-arch-model-t/
> [4] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farrell-etm/
> [5] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-arkko-arch-internet-threat-model/
> 
> 
> 
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