Re: [Modern] Problem statement draft as working group document

Steve Donovan <srdonovan@usdonovans.com> Wed, 30 December 2015 15:24 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Modern] Problem statement draft as working group document
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Richard,

We have a working group formed to address what you refer to as 
"numbering administration BS".  This is what the working group will be 
working on.  If there is additional work needed around interconnection 
metadata or other tools for handling other types of data then you are 
free to propose a new working group.

Regards,

Steve

On 12/29/15 5:09 PM, Richard Shockey wrote:
> Keith you are correct it does not .. Some of this might be useful some of it may not.  Certainly our experience with ENUM tells us to be cautious about playing around with matters under NRA authority.
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> VOIP transition is already in place in multiple jurisdictions.  It is a matter of national policy in the US UK Canada etc.  The All IP transition is a matter of strategic concern to every supplier serving the industry. The carriers have made the decision. Its not just US Carriers this is DTAG as well.  You know this.
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> http://www.lightreading.com/nfv/nfv-strategies/dts-journey-to-a-new-ip-world/v/d-id/720033?
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> There is some concern about the underlying databases. Particularly those involving LNP.  I have no objection to offering tools to SP’s but target the application that makes sense. Interconnection metadata.  What do we do with carrier CERTS in STIR.  Something that is practial deployable. Not this numbering administration BS.
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> On 12/18/15, 5:45 AM, "Modern on behalf of DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" <modern-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of keith.drage@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:
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>> I am not aware that VOIP transition is requires the MODERN work as a precondition.
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>> It is just a tool that some people think might be used (and that is potentially independent of VOIP usage).
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>> Regards
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>> Keith
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Modern [mailto:modern-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mark Delany
>> Sent: 18 December 2015 01:43
>> To: modern@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [Modern] Problem statement draft as working group document
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>> The Australian environment for one is likely to have growing interest given the forced migration of practically all PSTN to VOIP as a consequence of their National Broadband Network (NBN).
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>> I don't know of the NZ experience first-hand, but given they are making a similar transition many of the same issues will arise there.
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>> Maybe not today, but given the life-cycle of the IETF processes, it's entirely reasonable to think that WG product should keep these regional trends in mind.
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>> Mark.
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