Re: [Moq] MLS and MoQ

Suhas Nandakumar <suhasietf@gmail.com> Tue, 05 March 2024 18:10 UTC

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From: Suhas Nandakumar <suhasietf@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2024 10:09:54 -0800
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Subject: Re: [Moq] MLS and MoQ
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Also forgot to add that, this draft defines one of the use-cases where we
need MOQT to support "Subscribing to TrackNamespace".
Please refer to section
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-jennings-moq-e2ee-mls#section-4.2
for more details.

Cheers
Suhas

On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 9:39 AM Suhas Nandakumar <suhasietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
>
>  We (Cullen, Richard and myself) have submitted a draft for using
> Message Layer Security over MOQT to enable end to end secure group key
> establishment for MOQ applications.
>
> We look forward to your feedback.
>
> A new version of Internet-Draft draft-jennings-moq-e2ee-mls-00.txt has
> been
> successfully submitted by Suhas Nandakumar and posted to the
> IETF repository.
>
> Name:     draft-jennings-moq-e2ee-mls
> Revision: 00
> Title:    Secure Group Key Agreement with MLS over MoQ
> Date:     2024-03-04
> Group:    Individual Submission
> Pages:    15
> URL:      https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-jennings-moq-e2ee-mls
> -00.txt
> Status:   https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jennings-moq-e2ee-mls/
> HTMLized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-jennings-moq-e2ee-
> mls
>
>
> Abstract:
>
>    This specification defines a mechanism to use Message Layer Security
>    (MLS) to provide end-to-end group key agreement for Media over QUIC
>    (MOQ) applications.  Almost all communications are done via the MOQ
>    transport.  MLS requires a small degree of synchronization, which is
>    provided by a simple counter service.
>
>
>
> Cheers
> Suhas
>