[Moq] Re: Monday's agenda is ready
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From: "Mo Zanaty (mzanaty)" <mzanaty@cisco.com>
To: Alan Frindell <afrind=40meta.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
Thread-Topic: [Moq] Re: Monday's agenda is ready
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1608 is a major change to the core data model that makes subgroups semantically meaningless, as they would encode transport irregularities that destroy the app’s semantic meaning. A primary driver for adopting subgroups was video with scalable layers where the subgroup ID identified the layer. 1608 essentially removes subgroup ID, so there is no way to identify layers using MOQT alone. LOC originally embedded layer identifiers but removed this when MOQT added subgroups. I still think this was the right direction to have generally consistent semantics across apps at the core MOQT level data model. I agree it is useful (essential in some cases) to know if an object starts a subgroup. This can be indicated in the subgroup header using different type values for start of subgroup vs continued subgroup. IMO, that is a much better solution than changing the core data model. Thanks, Mo ________________________________ From: Alan Frindell <afrind=40meta.com@dmarc.ietf.org> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2026 9:26:30 PM To: Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com> Cc: MOQ Mailing List <moq@ietf.org> Subject: [Moq] Re: Monday's agenda is ready The slides are posted here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2026-moq-14/materials/slides-interim-2026-moq-14-sessa-moqt-prs-and-issues-00 We're still waiting on some content so look for an update, or new slides from Victor on his Delivery Timeout proposal and Required Request ID Alternate. Reading up on the issues/slides in advance will help us maximize our discussion time. #1608 Make Subgroup ID identical to first Object Id in the Subgroup #1519/#1603 Required Request ID #1613 Add MAX_REQUEST_UPDATES setup option and TOO_MANY_REQUEST_UPDATES error #1605 Split DELIVERY_TIMEOUT into two types of timeout Was it a mistake to require negotiation for unknown params<https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/moq/C-pytBAJowMXwQdtTDGN1zgis7Q/>? Time Permitting - Going through open Joining FETCH Dissent issues. Slides are there. Thanks -Alan On Wed, Apr 22, 2026 at 7:42 PM Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com<mailto:martin.h.duke@gmail.com>> wrote: You can find it on datatracker. It's all editor time. Alan, please post issue slides. You can find it on datatracker. It's all editor time. Alan, please post issue slides. -- Moq mailing list -- moq@ietf.org<mailto:moq@ietf.org> To unsubscribe send an email to moq-leave@ietf.org<mailto:moq-leave@ietf.org>
- [Moq] Monday's agenda is ready Martin Duke
- [Moq] Re: Monday's agenda is ready Alan Frindell
- [Moq] Re: Monday's agenda is ready Mo Zanaty (mzanaty)
- [Moq] Re: Monday's agenda is ready Alan Frindell