Re: [mpls] draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-sig-requirement-00.txt
"Thomas D. Nadeau" <tnadeau@cisco.com> Tue, 21 December 2004 22:36 UTC
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From: "Thomas D. Nadeau" <tnadeau@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: [mpls] draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-sig-requirement-00.txt
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:07:52 -0500
To: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
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On Dec 21, 2004, at 4:52 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote: > Tom, > > Maybe I have flu and I'm not thinking straight. > >>> But, in another email you commit to doing the work to making sure >>> that >>> P2MP OAM requirements are covered, so perhaps you'd like to propose >>> some text for discussion. >> >> I personally have none nor have I received any to-date, >> which is why they didn't go into the MPLS OAM draft. *) >> In any event, why is it unreasonable to request that these be given >> by the editors of the MPLS OAM Requirements draft in the near >> future? I can't speak for Dave, but I personally >> am willing to wait a couple of weeks to a month >> to add these so that the draft is complete. Can we agree >> that if we don't get any say by January 15, then there >> will be none? > > That's daft. > > The fact that no-one supplies any OAM requirements for P2MP before > January > 15 doesn't mean there aren't any. It means that no-one has supplied > them. Well, you have to draw a line in the sand at some time, don't you? > If the P2MP Sig Req draft is to refer to the MPLS OAM draft (as you > desire) then it must clearly be done only because the MPLS OAM draft > contains an adequate statement of the requirements. The choice is: > a. Do everything necessary to ensure that the MPLS OAM draft includes > the > P2MP OAM requirements > b. Put the P2MP OAM requirements in a separate draft. > >>> Can you point up what your objections to the text are. For reference, >>> here is the text... >>> >>> 4.18 P2MP MPLS OAM >>> >>> Management of P2MP LSPs is as important as the management of P2P >>> LSPs. >>> >>> The MPLS and GMPLS MIB modules MUST be enhanced to provide P2MP TE >>> LSP management. >>> >>> In order to facilitate correct management, P2MP TE LSPs MUST have >>> unique identifiers. >> >> I don't see why the second or third sentences need to be a MUST, >> especially since they have no corresponding justification. > > So, if we supply a justification we're in the clear? > The justification for the former is simple - the routing area requires > that MIB modules are prepared for all signaling protocols and > extensions. > The second point is also simple; for how can you manage something if > you > cannot identify it uniquely? > > Nevertheless, these paragraphs could happily be subsumed into another > document describing the requirements for P2MP OAM. > >>> OAM facilities will have special demands in P2MP environments >>> especially within the context of tracing the paths and >>> connectivity >>> of P2MP TE LSPs. The precise requirements and mechanisms for OAM > are >>> out of the scope of this document. It is expected that a separate >>> document will cover these requirements. >> >> This sentence seems to indicate that precise OAM requirements >> are out of the scope of this document -- so why then do the preceding >> two sentences provide requirements for OAM for p2mp TE LSPs?! Based >> on this, the preceding two sentences should be removed from this >> document and put into a place where there are in the scope of the >> document (i.e.: MPLS OAM Requirements). :P > > So put them in the MPLS OAM Requirements and then Seisho can remove > them > from here. I am okay with that as long as we don't delay the OAM requirements draft any longer than is necessary to capture the p2mp requirements. --Tom > > A > _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls
- [mpls] P2MP Requirements Issue 1 Seisho Yasukawa
- [mpls] draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-sig-requirement-00.txt Thomas D. Nadeau
- Re: [mpls] draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-sig-requirement-0… Monique Morrow
- Re: [mpls] draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-sig-requirement-0… Loa Andersson
- Re: [mpls] draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-sig-requirement-0… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [mpls] P2MP Requirements Issue 1 Loa Andersson
- Re: [mpls] draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-sig-requirement-0… Thomas D. Nadeau
- Re: [mpls] draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-sig-requirement-0… Thomas D. Nadeau
- Re: [mpls] draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-sig-requirement-0… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [mpls] draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-sig-requirement-0… Thomas D. Nadeau
- Re: [mpls] draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-sig-requirement-0… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [mpls] draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-sig-requirement-0… Thomas D. Nadeau
- Re: [mpls] draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-sig-requirement-0… Thomas D. Nadeau
- Re: [mpls] draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-sig-requirement-0… Loa Andersson